Female Characters

[The Metatron]

The game kind of loses immersion with 75% of the available characters being female. Why oh why does politically correctness have to creep into everything we love?

[MrMorrison226]

Sure a few people were ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ here and there that they wanted female to be added, i agree that it wasn't a thing the game needed, and it wasn't something to not think about including. But it certainly wasn't something that would and hasnt hurt the player experience.

[Dezzmont]

1: Anyone who refers to women as female is abstract. "Female Hunters" is pretty benign but when you refer to all women everywhere as "female" its a bit weird.

2: It isn't about political correctness. Hunt is a highly stylized game with gothic and western inspiration. Having female characters in both styles of story is pretty normal and, frankly, expected. People actually noted how weird it was that you couldn't play as a woman cursed with darksight.

3: The lore actually would make the absence of playable women really really REALLY weird, because hunters are not a military or police force. They are a collection of sketchy blood psychopaths who have all been blessed/cursed by darksight and who hunt demons and also sometimes people because they are really messed up in the head. There is nothing to indicate darksight would only occur among men.

4: While the 1890s were sorta the tail end of the wild west era, and lousiana was pretty heavily settled at that point for about a hundred years, it would not at all be unusual for a woman of that period of time to be comfortable with a firearm. In fact, the derringer was specifically made to be a handgun that a woman could carry in a hand muff to be ready to just blast some idiot at any time. Women gunfighters were not as plentiful as men, but they were still common and you would, if you were on the frontier, be seen as a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiot for implying that was strange.

5: This SPECIFIC PERIOD is really important for women because, again, the realities of frontier living didn't allow women to be hands off or men to insist they would be. Again, out on the frontier it would be extremely strange to treat a woman as a dainty thing because she probably knows her way around a rifle and works as hard as her husband. This is also where a lot of women became independently powerful without husbands because, again, being a sexist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the frontier isn't a smart idea when women are suddenly the primary buisness owners of the area and all have like a bajillion guns on them. So this period in time is, at least in areas the game is evoking, is a period in time where you would not at all be surprised to see a woman doing rough work.

6: Historically women flock to egalitarian work that allows them to be independent. Considering what we know of the Hunters and their society, it seems like as long as you are willing to mash a giant spider's face in with a crazy "swamp tech" spear you made that had a bomb strapped to it, can hear hell in your ear constantly whenever you close your eyes, and are very willing to murder strangers just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, that will pay you the equivalent of 3,000 dollars for a few hours of wayfinding, forget about if you actually killed a demon, qualifies. This is why women pirates and bandits were extremely common, because it was one of the few ways to be independent and make money as a woman, and there is no reason to suspect a career as a sketchy as hell borderline sociopathic demonhunter would be any different. The less mainstream and more fringe a way of life is, the more likely you are to not get a good cross section of 'expected' people. A hell of a lot of Pirates in the Caribbean were escaped black slaves or women for the same reasons why a lot of women were gunslingers and outlaws.

7: Why does it bug you. Seriously, why does it bug you?

Your immersion? Why? Like seriously reflect on why something as period innacurate as a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ assault rifle made out of a Mosin Nagant or a Bomb Spear or POISON BEE GRENADES are cool, but a woman who is a gunslinger and outlaw, something that ACTUALLY EXISTED in the 1890s and wasn't that unusual (though, lets be fair, it was somewhat notable, but again not at all freakish) bugs you?

Like it is fake dude. The 1890's didn't have giant spiders and bee ladies roaming around either. The Mauser was made in 1896 and would be an extremely odd sight to see in Louisiana at the time. Having a free roaming black man who was well armed in Louisiana in the 1890s would be WAY more out there than a well armed woman. You can inject magical fruitjuice into your arm to heal gunshot wounds.

Why does that get a pass, but "Woman but gun and cool trenchcoat" doesn't? Like why do you actually give a damn, because it sure as hell isn't 'realism' because last time I checked crazed sociopathic demon hunter wasn't a societal role fuffilled by women OR men in 189X and no one made a colt that had a bike chain and a bunch of ammo in it.

You don't care about a realistic experience. No one does. Hunt isn't sold on realism because it has FLIPPING ZOMBIES. Its selling you on an atmospheric, tense, and moody gothic-western hybrid game, and having a pseudo Annie Oakley shoot you in the face before lighting your body on fire totally adds to that vibe for the same reason it adds to the vibe to have trenchcoats in the Louisiana Bayou in the freaking SUMMER despite the trenchcoat being a luxury British piece of clothing and not a practical bit of wear until 1901, after this game takes place.

So it must be something else that is causing you to have such a violent and negative reaction to seeing playable women in a videogame. I wonder what it could be...

[SNAAAKE]

Please remove giant corpse spiders and headless leech sorcerers, Muhmersion

[Dezzmont]

Publicado originalmente por SNAAAKE:

Please remove giant corpse spiders and headless leech sorcerers, Muhmersion

THE CROWN KING AUTO IS BASED ON THE BROWNING AUTO 5 A GUN THAT DIDN'T EXIST UNTIL 1905 WHICH IS A FULL 10-6 YEARS AFTER THIS GAME TAKES PLACE.

WHY ARE MEN ALLOWED TO USE THE DERRENGER THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY A GUN FOR WOMEN HGNRNNNN IT LITERALLY HAD GIRLY PEARL HANDLES.

BLACK CHARACTERS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE DOCTOR TRAIT ITS 1895 OR SO TOTALLY UNREALISTIC DESPITE THE FACT THERE WERE BLACK DOCTORS IN THE 1840's!

[Bloof Malloy Flumberghast]

Publicado originalmente por Dezzmont:

1: Anyone who refers to women as female is abstract. "Female Hunters" is pretty benign but when you refer to all women everywhere as "female" its a bit weird.

2: It isn't about political correctness. Hunt is a highly stylized game with gothic and western inspiration. Having female characters in both styles of story is pretty normal and, frankly, expected. People actually noted how weird it was that you couldn't play as a woman cursed with darksight.

3: The lore actually would make the absence of playable women really really REALLY weird, because hunters are not a military or police force. They are a collection of sketchy blood psychopaths who have all been blessed/cursed by darksight and who hunt demons and also sometimes people because they are really messed up in the head. There is nothing to indicate darksight would only occur among men.

4: While the 1890s were sorta the tail end of the wild west era, and lousiana was pretty heavily settled at that point for about a hundred years, it would not at all be unusual for a woman of that period of time to be comfortable with a firearm. In fact, the derringer was specifically made to be a handgun that a woman could carry in a hand muff to be ready to just blast some idiot at any time. Women gunfighters were not as plentiful as men, but they were still common and you would, if you were on the frontier, be seen as a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiot for implying that was strange.

5: This SPECIFIC PERIOD is really important for women because, again, the realities of frontier living didn't allow women to be hands off or men to insist they would be. Again, out on the frontier it would be extremely strange to treat a woman as a dainty thing because she probably knows her way around a rifle and works as hard as her husband. This is also where a lot of women became independently powerful without husbands because, again, being a sexist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the frontier isn't a smart idea when women are suddenly the primary buisness owners of the area and all have like a bajillion guns on them. So this period in time is, at least in areas the game is evoking, is a period in time where you would not at all be surprised to see a woman doing rough work.

6: Historically women flock to egalitarian work that allows them to be independent. Considering what we know of the Hunters and their society, it seems like as long as you are willing to mash a giant spider's face in with a crazy "swamp tech" spear you made that had a bomb strapped to it, can hear hell in your ear constantly whenever you close your eyes, and are very willing to murder strangers just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, that will pay you the equivalent of 3,000 dollars for a few hours of wayfinding, forget about if you actually killed a demon, qualifies. This is why women pirates and bandits were extremely common, because it was one of the few ways to be independent and make money as a woman, and there is no reason to suspect a career as a sketchy as hell borderline sociopathic demonhunter would be any different. The less mainstream and more fringe a way of life is, the more likely you are to not get a good cross section of 'expected' people. A hell of a lot of Pirates in the Caribbean were escaped black slaves or women for the same reasons why a lot of women were gunslingers and outlaws.

7: Why does it bug you. Seriously, why does it bug you?

Your immersion? Why? Like seriously reflect on why something as period innacurate as a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ assault rifle made out of a Mosin Nagant or a Bomb Spear or POISON BEE GRENADES are cool, but a woman who is a gunslinger and outlaw, something that ACTUALLY EXISTED in the 1890s and wasn't that unusual (though, lets be fair, it was somewhat notable, but again not at all freakish) bugs you?

Like it is fake dude. The 1890's didn't have giant spiders and bee ladies roaming around either. The Mauser was made in 1896 and would be an extremely odd sight to see in Louisiana at the time. Having a free roaming black man who was well armed in Louisiana in the 1890s would be WAY more out there than a well armed woman. You can inject magical fruitjuice into your arm to heal gunshot wounds.

Why does that get a pass, but "Woman but gun and cool trenchcoat" doesn't? Like why do you actually give a damn, because it sure as hell isn't 'realism' because last time I checked crazed sociopathic demon hunter wasn't a societal role fuffilled by women OR men in 189X and no one made a colt that had a bike chain and a bunch of ammo in it.

You don't care about a realistic experience. No one does. Hunt isn't sold on realism because it has FLIPPING ZOMBIES. Its selling you on an atmospheric, tense, and moody gothic-western hybrid game, and having a pseudo Annie Oakley shoot you in the face before lighting your body on fire totally adds to that vibe for the same reason it adds to the vibe to have trenchcoats in the Louisiana Bayou in the freaking SUMMER despite the trenchcoat being a luxury British piece of clothing and not a practical bit of wear until 1901, after this game takes place.

So it must be something else that is causing you to have such a violent and negative reaction to seeing playable women in a videogame. I wonder what it could be...

Ah, this was good for laughs. I applaud your brainwashed levels of NPC programming, Dezzy.

First off, all this talk of "tough" women is right on target if you're talking about women who worked hard and knew how to shoot a gun. Sure, those were everywhere in 1890. All that other twaddle about women as hunters and fighters and pirates and whatnot is just comical.

How many women would have been a bounty hunter/mercenary of any sort in 1890 Louisiana? If you believe it would be anywhere north of 3% you are not in touch with reality. Knowing how to shoot a gun is light years away from being the sort who walks into the fire and has no idea if he's coming out the other side. That is what killers and soldiers do. How many women fought in the civil war? (Oh, were they all waiting in line but those mean men wouldn't let them fight? I'm sure they couldn't wait to try their luck at killing the other guy before the other guy kills you... or dismembers you, or blinds you, or makes you permanently crippled...)

Even Annie Oakley was famous for being a novelty because she was a woman who was also a sharpshooter. She wasn't some kind of soldier or fighter or mercenary. She was a girl who shot wild game around her house to feed her family and got really good at aiming. That's all. Yet that was enough to make her a sideshow performer, which only confirms that women being that good with firearms was rare.

In any case, all this self-righteous virtue signalling always cracks me up. As if the issue is that women shouldn't be in the game. As if anyone who might want the choice of only representing as a man is some kind of sinner who offends the church of woke!

The real question isn't why having women in the game bothers someone so much, it's why you are so bothered with allowing people to choose their gender in the game.

I'll put it this way, if I'm a black guy and I prefer to play as the black guy in multiplayer games is that a problem for you? If I'm a woman and I prefer to play as a woman in multiplayer games is that a problem for you? Or is it only a problem when too many white males might want to play as a white male? Oh geez, this is your chance to shine, your chance to virtue signal and puff up your chest! You are really putting down those sexist, racist evil-doers!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you people need to get over yourselves. You're not special because you don't care whether you play as a woman or man in video games, just as someone who has a preference isn't evil.

It's a perfectly reasonable request to allow people to choose gender. That is, if you're willing to admit gender exists in the first place.

[Dezzmont]

Again: Why are you so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mad bro?

Like why are you actually upset?

You didn't open this asking for the option to choose. You opened this saying "I DON'T LIKE THEY EXIST UNREALISTIC RAGRHBRHGLR. POLITICAL CORRECTNESSSS"

Like dude, 90% of people who play girls in games do it because they like looking at something they are attractive to while playing. I prefer to play guys in games because I just feel more comfortable.

I could get behind "I want the option to select gender whenever I want." But that isn't what you lead with, you lead with "PC" and "No one wants it" and "Its unrealistic."

Like the only NPC I see here is you, using weird buzzwords rather than actual arguments, shifting around your standards to be convinient, and just generally being mad people are having fun.

Like your kinda just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dude. Get over yourself and get used to people not being willing to put up with your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ because they realize that your not really a good demographic to cater to because you don't actually care about or stand for anything, your just aimlessly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mad about culture changing and the vast majority of the gaming community either doesn't care or played a female night elf in WoW because they were going to be looking at an ass for 900 hours so it may as well be the ass they are attracted to.

[No thoughts, vibes only]

Nice meme!

[Bloof Malloy Flumberghast]

Publicado originalmente por Dezzmont:

Again: Why are you so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mad bro?

Like why are you actually upset?

You didn't open this asking for the option to choose. You opened this saying "I DON'T LIKE THEY EXIST UNREALISTIC RAGRHBRHGLR. POLITICAL CORRECTNESSSS"

Like dude, 90% of people who play girls in games do it because they like looking at something they are attractive to while playing. I prefer to play guys in games because I just feel more comfortable.

I could get behind "I want the option to select gender whenever I want." But that isn't what you lead with, you lead with "PC" and "No one wants it" and "Its unrealistic."

Like the only NPC I see here is you, using weird buzzwords rather than actual arguments, shifting around your standards to be convinient, and just generally being mad people are having fun.

Like your kinda just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dude. Get over yourself and get used to people not being willing to put up with your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ because they realize that your not really a good demographic to cater to because you don't actually care about or stand for anything, your just aimlessly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mad about culture changing and the vast majority of the gaming community either doesn't care or played a female night elf in WoW because they were going to be looking at an ass for 900 hours so it may as well be the ass they are attracted to.

Wow, you went into full hysterics there. Lol, you asking others why they are upset. That's rich. You're the one here preaching about "muh wyyymen!!!"

The demographic of this game is male. Male gamers between about 15 and 50. Only about 7% of all FPS players are women. I'll bet in this player base the percentage is even less than that.

Nothing wrong with having 90% or more playerbase as male. In the old days before the religion of progressivism infected millions of minds a business would simply accept a certain demographic as their customers and try to appease them in order to be most profitable.

However, it's nice to accommodate females who may play the game. Why not give them the chance to play as a woman if they want? For that matter, as you point out, some men like to play as women (or vice versa), why not let them?

If there's one thing that's obvious it's that people like to choose how they represent themselves in multiplayer video games.

Except in the age of wokeness it's not so obvious. You don't get a proper choice. Rather, you get 50% selection of females for a game played by over 90% males about an era where over 90% of bounty hunters would be men.

So when guys buy this game and get several random draws in a row that are almost all women it gets irritating. Choosing between Grandma Betsy, Aunt Sue, the black girl in cyberpunk glasses or the woman in the Muslim shawl is utterly ridiculous for an old West shooter. You have to ask, when did this diversity stuff go from inclusion as a matter of choice to some woke statement on how it's immoral to even have a choice?

Of course players will complain. It's ludicrous. More than that, it's an insult to the very people who are actually paying money to support the game.

[YumYumTastyTV]

Publicado originalmente por Metal:

Publicado originalmente por YumYumTasty:

The fact that OP is always running about political correctness and politicized BS should be a dead giveaway just fyi.

This whole thread feels like a Quartering comment section and reeks of alt-right.

There it is. LOL. I was waiting to see blame towards the "alt right". Youre the same type of person who calls everyone else a nazi just because they cant stand hearing the truth. "I dont agree so you must be part of the alt right!" LOL. Pathetic. Because we all know its only one or the other...right?

LOL the truth, here in germany the alt right is known for one thing and one thing only. Fake News. Oh, wait. That's basically all over the world. It's the same here in hunt, a fringe vocal minority running their mouths, nothing to see here.

[Inv1s1ble]

Oh I love the first world problems, where people cannot handle to play a videogame with a virtual character that you do not even see in game which has some kind of virtual gender.
Stop whining and stop arguing. You are embarrassing yourselfs.

The game is pure hardcore competition - not some story driven RPG. Why the F would I care about the virtual characters virtual gender or if I'm playing as an animal, alien or abstract shape!? It does not change the balancing or gameplay at all - other than the traits, gear and health bars the characters come with...

As in real life the gender does not matter as much as your antiquatedly socialized brain tells you. In most cases - as in this one - it does not matter at all.

TLTR: Just deal with it.

[Shakaron]

The gender is random. The devs are looking into it if it's not exactly randomised correctly.

The thread is a pointless fight. Locking.