Total War: WARHAMMER II

Total War: WARHAMMER II

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Wild_Nipples Oct 15, 2021 @ 7:59am
Which race-faction has strongest-most expensive units
I like to play for race-faction that has strong and expensive units (protoss in starcraft, Rome in ancient strategy games).
Which race-faction would you recommend me to play?
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chronobomb Oct 15, 2021 @ 3:10pm 
As a general faction would be the Dawi in game 1 and the Lizards in Game 2.

With the empire rework and the new elector units, they are also really expensive and very powerful.

On the flipside the TK have the cheapest but very powerful units.
Andrewbh2003 Oct 15, 2021 @ 3:14pm 
the most "elite" roster overall is high elves

the roster with the most expensive end-game unit is the lizardmen
chronobomb Oct 15, 2021 @ 3:19pm 
When it comes to doom stacks a 19 Star Dragon stack is more expensive than a 19 Stegadons stack but the 19 star dragons will lose to the Stegadons stack.
Xaphnir Oct 15, 2021 @ 3:28pm 
Originally posted by chronobomb:
When it comes to doom stacks a 19 Star Dragon stack is more expensive than a 19 Stegadons stack but the 19 star dragons will lose to the Stegadons stack.

I'm not so sure that's actually the case.
Cryten Oct 15, 2021 @ 3:32pm 
wouldnt the dragons just stay flying and breath them to death?
chronobomb Oct 15, 2021 @ 4:02pm 
The Goal with the Stegadons is to shoot down several dragons before they get to melee. Then basically keep moving so the dragons can't position directly over head where they do massive damage and your bolt throwers can't fire.

It's a fun battle to play.
Quillithe Oct 15, 2021 @ 4:20pm 
19 Dread Saurian stack probably beats any other stack of units.

Overall I think there's a good argument for Lizardmen being a pretty expensive elite unit faction - Saurus are pricey for being a unit you can use as core infantry early game, all the dinos are pretty expensive, a bunch of your units are pretty tough at taking a beating.

Them and all the elves, I'm not sure I'd really single high elves out as much more elite than dark or wood elves, they all get pretty ultra elite infantry, dragons, and some type of absurd AP archer (Sisters, shades, waywatchers), and at least some solid cavalry

I dunno about TK though, if you take into consideration how much you need to spend for unit caps they have very expensive units - it just doesn't matter if they die. Plus except for 3-4 of their huge constructs they feel strong but not ultra-elite or anything.
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A.Pot Oct 15, 2021 @ 6:33pm 
If you are using the Protoss of Starcraft as an example, your choices in Warhammer are plenty.

The Elves in general and Dwarfs also lean on Quality over Quantity with some groups like Bretonnia doing it halfway with their infantry being cheap but weak but their cavalry being strong but expensive while Lizardmen and Warriors of Chaos also do this in their own way.
chronobomb Oct 15, 2021 @ 7:04pm 
TK can get their buildings for free with tech and bonuses
JODEGAFUN Oct 15, 2021 @ 7:06pm 
Originally posted by Quillithe:
19 Dread Saurian stack probably beats any other stack of units.

Overall I think there's a good argument for Lizardmen being a pretty expensive elite unit faction - Saurus are pricey for being a unit you can use as core infantry early game, all the dinos are pretty expensive, a bunch of your units are pretty tough at taking a beating.

Them and all the elves, I'm not sure I'd really single high elves out as much more elite than dark or wood elves, they all get pretty ultra elite infantry, dragons, and some type of absurd AP archer (Sisters, shades, waywatchers), and at least some solid cavalry

I dunno about TK though, if you take into consideration how much you need to spend for unit caps they have very expensive units - it just doesn't matter if they die. Plus except for 3-4 of their huge constructs they feel strong but not ultra-elite or anything.
Pretty sure they will lose to a maxed out shade army with a shadow arrow trait lord. And pretty sure a hero army from certain races will absolute eat them too as they have far to low MA/MD to even hit them.
veracsthane Oct 15, 2021 @ 7:15pm 
Originally posted by Wild_nipples:
I like to play for race-faction that has strong and expensive units (protoss in starcraft, Rome in ancient strategy games).
Which race-faction would you recommend me to play?

if the protoss are your standard then the wining move is lizard men. itza i think was the best because gorok just wont die.
Xaphnir Oct 15, 2021 @ 7:17pm 
Originally posted by Cryten:
wouldnt the dragons just stay flying and breath them to death?

No, the Dragons would want to get into melee as quickly as possible. The dragons are significantly superior to the stegadons in melee, but the ballistae on the backs of the stegadons are a large threat to the star dragons.

The reason I don't think stegadons would win that matchup is that the star dragons would close the distance too fast.

Originally posted by veracsthane:
if the protoss are your standard then the wining move is lizard men. itza i think was the best because gorok just wont die.

Nah if someone's favorite Starcraft race is Protoss they should play Skaven. Both are have a ton of cheese and are somewhat reliant on it.
Last edited by Xaphnir; Oct 15, 2021 @ 7:19pm
Quillithe Oct 15, 2021 @ 7:38pm 
Originally posted by JODEGAFUN:
Originally posted by Quillithe:
19 Dread Saurian stack probably beats any other stack of units.

Overall I think there's a good argument for Lizardmen being a pretty expensive elite unit faction - Saurus are pricey for being a unit you can use as core infantry early game, all the dinos are pretty expensive, a bunch of your units are pretty tough at taking a beating.

Them and all the elves, I'm not sure I'd really single high elves out as much more elite than dark or wood elves, they all get pretty ultra elite infantry, dragons, and some type of absurd AP archer (Sisters, shades, waywatchers), and at least some solid cavalry

I dunno about TK though, if you take into consideration how much you need to spend for unit caps they have very expensive units - it just doesn't matter if they die. Plus except for 3-4 of their huge constructs they feel strong but not ultra-elite or anything.
Pretty sure they will lose to a maxed out shade army with a shadow arrow trait lord. And pretty sure a hero army from certain races will absolute eat them too as they have far to low MA/MD to even hit them.

Obviously a bit silly, but I'm not sure about Shades (maybe with the right lord skills I guess)
Dread Saurians move faster, poison once they get into their ranged attack range (which is barely shorter than shades), do decent ranged damage (something like 1/4 of shades though), have over twice the health, and just smash them once you get in melee.

Not that dread saurians don't have issues, but it's mainly that if you have 1-3 of them your ranged can focus them down - with 19 it's kinda tough.

Campaign heroes can probably do it though, especially on anti-large monster mounts, probably not on foot since I'd expect a stunlock.
Last edited by Quillithe; Oct 15, 2021 @ 7:43pm
Xaphnir Oct 15, 2021 @ 9:28pm 
Originally posted by Quillithe:
Obviously a bit silly, but I'm not sure about Shades (maybe with the right lord skills I guess)
Dread Saurians move faster, poison once they get into their ranged attack range (which is barely shorter than shades), do decent ranged damage (something like 1/4 of shades though), have over twice the health, and just smash them once you get in melee.

You're making the mistake of looking too much at stats.

In practice, Dread Saurians go down extremely fast to missile fire, especially armor-piercing missile fire. 10 units of Shades will take down a Dread Saurian in a single volley. In a 19 Shades vs. 19 Dread Saurians battle I'd guess 4-6 Dread Saurians will die before they even make melee contact (depending on the buffs the Shades are receiving from tech, their lord, and their experience level). And with that many losses I doubt Dread Saurians will kill the Shades fast enough that the ones that aren't caught in melee won't shred them. At the very least, the Shades will vastly outperform their cost in the battle.

I also suspect a Shaggoth stack might be able to beat a Dread Saurian stack due to the size difference. The Shaggoth's smaller size would mean more Shaggoths are attacking at any given point than Dread Saurians, giving Shaggoths higher damage output. Not sure if that'd be enough to overcome the Dread Saurians having twice as much health, though. And the poison might also make the difference. Ghorgons would probably fare similarly, as they're very similar to Shaggoths.

Also Dread Saurians wouldn't be able to do much of anything against missile cavalry, though they'd probably have enough health and missile cavalry tend to have lower ammo, so they'd probably just tank the damage and win the battle, albeit with heavy losses.

And they might also struggle against a Wurrzag Rogue Idol army due to the amount of physical resistance on them.

And Arachnarok Spiders might be able to win, too. They can already almost beat Dread Saurians 1v1, and with their slightly smaller size the advantage would probably go to them.
Last edited by Xaphnir; Oct 15, 2021 @ 9:38pm
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