Skaven overpowered?

[Mick258]

Why is the skaven so strong now every campaign i play they wipe faction after faction out then when i battle them there units are way stronger than mine and don't get me started on the ambush ♥♥♥♥.

I haven't played in over a year, wondering what the hell has changed to make them so OP.

[Lenny]

If you haven't played in over a year, you might have missed the Prophet and Warlock dlc which gave them some nice ranged units. They also recently got some new monsters.

What are you playing and in what diff? Generally trying to out-gun the rats is very hard now, but they are still squishy.

[Mick258]

I'm playing on Very Hard which ive always played on and never struggled like this, but im barely 60 turns in and the Skaven have wiped out most Empire factions and i can't win a single battle its madness i always remembered killing them with ease.

[Namhaid]

If you are playing VH battle difficulty the skaven are going to feel very op, because the difficulty boosts ai melee units by a lot, and skaven are already very powerful at range, so they can easily beat you at both.

As for campaign, they do tend to perform better than other facttions, but it's not a sure thing. Skyre tnedds to be wiped by Bretonnia in most of my campaigns, and Eshin tends to do well until very late, when it's 50-50 between them and Greenskins. The thing is it's not a sure deal, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Mickey258:

I'm playing on Very Hard which ive always played on and never struggled like this, but im barely 60 turns in and the Skaven have wiped out most Empire factions and i can't win a single battle its madness i always remembered killing them with ease.

Clan Moulder? They have their fleshlabs that can buff units to ridicules levels (but i'm not sure if the AI can use it efficiently or at all) and Throt himself also have regeneration for himself and a armor buff for monsters in his army (and a ability to heal monsters later on).

Id say that in general Skaven units are just as squishy as before, clan Moulder experiments/monsters being a exception (as in when lead by the faction clan Moulder). But Skaven in general have really good ranged firepower now days with their weapon teams (ever since the prophet and the warlock DLC), the weapon teams are buffed further by clan Skyre (Also plagues has become a bit of a nightmare if you are facing clan Pestilence).

[Cazador]

I have yet to have a single game where Skaven were the dominant faction.... Sooooo no, not op lol

For real I've seen eshin and moors do okay a couple times but grimgor keeps them beat down until ordertide takes over and rules them all.
I've only seen skyrer do well when Marienburg randomly thumps bretonia early. I've even razed bretonia early as BM and they had a bajillion empty cities with me fighting reikland and a single riekland army wiped them out. Super annoying.
Pestilence gets murdered by early saurous.
Moulder doesn't use the lab I'm pretty sure and gets wrecked by Kislev/drycha/norsca/chaos lol.
Rictus lul

Seriously the only evil faction I've seen rule the whole map that was AI was dark elves or grimgor with some super early confeds. All the rest are too busy fighting each other to get going.

Their ambush is the most annoying thing for sure (encamp should negate it or greatly reduce the chance). Still there's a ton of ways to play around the AI. Also terror is your best friend, even at higher difficulty.

[Mr Robert House]

i think ambush attack results in them winning auto resolve way more often than other factions, same with the high elf faction that can do it.

plus eshin gets cheats for sure

but they usually lose to the dwarf tide eventually

[Mick258]

Originally posted by Cazador:

I have yet to have a single game where Skaven were the dominant faction.... Sooooo no, not op lol

Before i played these past few campaigns i would of agreed, hell i probably would of laughed reading someone posting Staven are OP but here i am lol.

[Darth Wadewilson]

Skaven have definitely got powerful since ikit. But I have never seen a campaign where they over ran empire. It could be that throt got loose and took over northern empire.

But yeah.. despite the AI handling skaven units poorly skaven is a dominant force.

Mors or eshin almost always dominate that area and fight with grimgor for bad lands. Tretch usually owns a third of naggaroth until malekith or Morathi kills him off. Ironically ikit is the underperformer. I have rarely seen him even beating brettonia.

[truthwarrior]

The Skaven watch LegendOfTotalWar on Youtube so they know the best cheese! So be careful!

[Cazador]

Originally posted by Mickey258:

Originally posted by Cazador:

I have yet to have a single game where Skaven were the dominant faction.... Sooooo no, not op lol

Before i played these past few campaigns i would of agreed, hell i probably would of laughed reading someone posting Staven are OP but here i am lol.

I dunno man, maybe you've had a few unlucky playthroughs... Still though I've played a lot recently (thanks covid lol). I have yet to see any of them be the number 1 faction. Hell even number 2.

You just have to learn to play around the ambush mechanic and they become quite easy to fight. Set your own ambushes, they'll sprint into it to get that 1v4. I can also usually 1v3 their armies during an ambush because they position sooooo poorly on ambushes. Their artillery is stuck in trees and stuff like that.

Seriously not op man. Strong maybe.

[Jack Deth]

Part of the issue is that they are missing the unreliable mechanic their war machines have. Though that is a mechanic issue. In TT they were balanced by their weapon teams/machines failing in spectacular and hilarious fashion.

This also affects slightly the dwarfs who had an edge over other armies in TT with their machines working much more solidly, though not perfect.

How would you solve this though? Try to make warmachines or weapons not function? I think their would be an outcry from the community about it. Especially from the multiplayer front where randomness is frowned upon.

I enjoy, and always did enjoy, it though. The idea being that your skill is derived from how you change your plans or adapt to something not working quite as expected. So I enjoy things like the Blood Bowl games (as well as TT) or Mordheim (both game and TT).

Risk management would be what I would describe it as with just two words. I always find that aspect to something interesting.

[JODEGAFUN]

In my aktual campaing, only Moulder, is aktive, Grimgor wiped Eshin and Mors, I finish Tretch and Ikit. And if you play on very hard battle difficult no doubt it is unbalanced, even clanrats are strong as they not run a fast any more. And they have nummerous advantage. Game is balanced for normal, not for VH battle difficult.

[Craig25]

I don't know about OP. Skrolk's ME campaign is the hardest start I've found so far.

[Mick258]

Just did another campaign and again Clan Moulder overrun everyone, 100% there OP my armies don't stand a chance, crazy i used to kill skaven factions with ease now they are literally ruining the game for me.

[Namhaid]

Originally posted by Mickey258:

Just did another campaign and again Clan Moulder overrun everyone, 100% there OP my armies don't stand a chance, crazy i used to kill skaven factions with ease now they are literally ruining the game for me.

If you are having trouble with Clan Moulder, then it would probably be more helpful to make a thread were you indicate what faction are you playing, what campaign and battle difficulty, what army comps are you using against them, and what part exactly is giving you trouble, is it the battles themselves? early game? late game? do you just lose on AR? are you being overrun in the campaign map? constantly getting ambushed? what is it that makes you unable to deal with them?

That way people can give you advice on how to deal with them. But saying that they are 100% op because you lost two campaigns against them is neither useful nor true.