Question about Queek Headtaker

[Akechi]

So why does Queek hates Grey Seers so much? they even start with -2 loyalty when you recruit them in Queek's faction, is this relating to something they've done to Queek in the past?

[Conflagration]

He doesn't like or trust them in lore and his interactions with them usually lead to them trying to kill each other (as most Skaven interactions inevitably do).

[RCMidas]

Except in his case, he REALLY REALLY distrusts them and they REALLY REALLY hate him too. It's basically because the two represent the opposite ends of the Skaven power spectrum - the Grey Seers ascend to the heights by means of their magical power, the Stormvermin ascend to the heights by means of their martial mastery.

[Scrotum Scratcher]

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Queek_Headtaker

[Zoie Shales]

"In comparison to other Skaven, Queek dislikes scheming and intrigue of any kind, which is one of the great reasons why the warlord has a great distrust of the politically-minded Grey Seers."

[Akechi]

Thanks for the answers guys! it helped much.

[abyssalfury]

Lets be honest: Hating Skaven should be the natural order of things, even for Skaven. Just on general principle.

[Zane87]

Originally posted by abyssalfury:

Lets be honest: Hating Skaven should be the natural order of things, even for Skaven. Just on general principle.

The only thing that stops a bad rat with a gun is another bad rat* with a gun.

* There are no good Skaven

[Jäveln]

Queek dislikes scheming and intrigue of any kind, which is one of the great reasons why the warlord has a great distrust of the politically-minded Grey Seers

[Akechi]

Originally posted by Jäveln:

Queek dislikes scheming and intrigue of any kind, which is one of the great reasons why the warlord has a great distrust of the politically-minded Grey Seers

How come Queek dislikes scheming and stuff like that? I heard backstabbing and plotting is the very nature of all skaven, also are Queek and the stormvermin have something like a skaven type of chivalry that rejects the methods of Grey Seers so this explains why they hate each other further?

[Wh♂♂par]

Stormvermin are a special breed so to say, which get their ego boosted by their fighting skills. They get fed better, because they look special at birth and get trained better, plus better equipment. They may have got their privilege in the cradle, but worked to be up in that position.

This clashes with being born to be working on scheming and plotting, no?

It's the warrior caste versus clerical caste.

[Akechi]

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

Stormvermin are a special breed so to say, which get their ego boosted by their fighting skills. They get fed better, because they look special at birth and get trained better, plus better equipment. They may have got their privilege in the cradle, but worked to be up in that position.

This clashes with being born to be working on scheming and plotting, no?

It's the warrior caste versus clerical caste.

Thanks for your answer, this explains it more.

[zefyris]

Clan Mors is peculliar. It's a clan that has no loyalty issues in the lore. Even the newly integrated clan that Mors just defeated and forced to join them almost immediately become loyal to the death to clan Mors. Which is absolutely contrary to skaven's very nature so something not natural is happening here.
That's a major reason for Morskrittar (Skryre's head and one of the 2 most powerful member of the council of 13) to want so much to destroy Mors before it becomes too powerful.
No one outside Mors knows why they're all loyal. Which makes it very scary for everyone else.
And Queek is the epitome, the very symbol of that. No cunning scheme or betrayal or political shenanigam for his own benefits. He challenges his foes head on and add their heads to his collection.
Queek is the less skaven of all skaven warlords.

I wish that he had rules reflecting that in TW Wh but unfortunately he doesn't.

[Jäveln]

Although Queek is a magnificent warrior, the warlord hasn't been readily known for his cunning, if he has any at all. Queek is as thick as he is bloodthirsty, preferring a daring frontal assault rather then to use wiser and more efficient means of attack. In comparison to other Skaven, Queek dislikes scheming and intrigue of any kind, which is one of the great reasons why the warlord has a great distrust of the politically-minded Grey Seers

from the wiki

[Akechi]

These are all amazing facts of Clan Mors and Queek himself too, in my opinion this makes Clan Mors the most unique of skaven clans in lore at least, but this is the opinion of someone who knows little of the skaven overall.

[Wh♂♂par]

Skryre has Nukes, Gatlings and energy-based weaponry, together with magic, and not only like other races.

Moulder has Frankenstein's monster(s) in all variations.

Eshin are Master SplinterS instead of TMNT.

Pestilence is... Well loving to like someone vomited on them.

Rictus has the highest amount of White-furred Stormvermin.

Etc.