Is there any beginner friendly faction that is not elves ?

[Trankhanhduyh]

Have to say this game is much harder than shogun 2 lol every turn i feel like realm divine where everyone pretty much start a war with me and i cant do any diplomacy since they all hate my gut

[Yellowdragon]

Tretch craventail very beginner friendly, you can end the game in 10 turns. It depends how good you are.

[Gresh]

TLDR: LIzards are a straightforward faction with mostly simple mechanics, strong units, great heroes, cool dinosaurs, and an alright economy. I'd recommend Kroq Gar or Gor Rok.

Lizardmen

Benefits:

A strong set of infantry units, monster units, shock units, and artillery. You can go cheap or expensive between Skinks and Saurus, depending on your style or lord choice.

Access to generally useful lores of magic. No garbage lores to accidentally waste time on.

Strong ambush chance boosts

Very strong hero units, all with powerful or useful mounts.

Straightforward campaign mechanics

Drawbacks

Their roster isn't as varied as High Elves or Dark Elves, particularly in strong basic archers and access to cavalry.

Armies tend to run pretty expensive, coupled with overall weaker economical growth than HE/DE

Overall harder starting positions than HE.

Geomantic Web isn't remotely as useful as HE influence or DE slave economy.

Originally posted by Bluewhale:

Tretch craventail very beginner friendly, you can end the game in 10 turns. It depends how good you are.

Weak troll. Skaven aren't beginner friendly and Tretch is a joke lord (for the most part)

Originally posted by Cybran:

The Empire would be my suggestion but they play differently than most factions. The campaign is all about babysitting the retarded elector counts and banking imperial authority until you have enough to confederate everyone at once. Only confederate Gelt ASAP and even then only if you have enough imperial authority to not go negative.

Warhammer II is a lot like realm divide from turn 1. All AIs are programmed to kill you, that's it. They don't care about defending themselves or attacking their other enemies. Everyone will always be suicidally charging you. It's best to not explore and discover other factions.

I disagree. I think you have a lot more to juggle for the Empire without a lot of clear direction. Their main benefit to new players is the varied roster. And, as you say, the elector counts and imperial authority are pretty stupid.

I'm not saying the AI is amazing in this game... but the second part is pretty off-key. Factions definitely fight each other and don't just suicidally charge you.

[Trankhanhduyh]

Originally posted by Cybran:

The Empire would be my suggestion but they play differently than most factions. The campaign is all about babysitting the retarded elector counts and banking imperial authority until you have enough to confederate everyone at once. Only confederate Gelt ASAP and even then only if you have enough imperial authority to not go negative.

Warhammer II is a lot like realm divide from turn 1. All AIs are programmed to kill you, that's it. They don't care about defending themselves or attacking their other enemies. Everyone will always be suicidally charging you. It's best to not explore and discover other factions.

you mean the lady ? I tried the empire with the spainard conquest dude and all i got is gang bang by lizard men and a northern neighbor that just refuse to help

[wpegg]

If you mean for the Vortex campaign, without the DLC, then after the high elves or Dark Elves the next easiest is Kroq Gar. The reason for this is that he starts in a corner, so you'll have less trouble from getting surrounded initially, and that he's fighting Skaven, which Lizardmen can auto-resolve against if you have trouble. You also start with a heavens priest that can get chain lightning fairly quickly, which will wreck skaven tarpits (big clusters of melee infantry).

[Trankhanhduyh]

Originally posted by wpegg:

If you mean for the Vortex campaign, without the DLC, then after the high elves or Dark Elves the next easiest is Kroq Gar. The reason for this is that he starts in a corner, so you'll have less trouble from getting surrounded initially, and that he's fighting Skaven, which Lizardmen can auto-resolve against if you have trouble. You also start with a heavens priest that can get chain lightning fairly quickly, which will wreck skaven tarpits (big clusters of melee infantry).

Oh i bought warhammer 1 now. Its kinda stinky to buy "free" expansion which just show how scummy is gameworkshop combined with CA but i heard people say its worth it when its on sale so whats the best faction to play as a beginner ? I kinda like empire and skaven setting

[wpegg]

Originally posted by Trankhanhduyh:

Oh i bought warhammer 1 now. Its kinda stinky to buy "free" expansion which just show how scummy is gameworkshop combined with CA but i heard people say its worth it when its on sale so whats the best faction to play as a beginner ? I kinda like empire and skaven setting

Empire and Skaven are the two hardest for a beginner. Skaven require a fair bit of skill to use well, and Empire have a really hard time on the campaign because of all the enemies around them and the Imperial Authority mechanic was written badly even before they threw Rakarth and Morgur into the mix.

Dwarves can be easy if you don't fall into the trap of playing too defensive on the campaign. The battles you totally want to turtle up, but the campaign you need to be aggressive. Grombrindal or Thorek make good beginner starts.

Wurzag is the easiest one to play as for the Greenskins. He buffs savage orcs to insane levels, is a great caster, and has a nice start position. This would be pretty good for a beginner.

I'd still say that Kroq Gar is easiest, he gets a corner on Mortal Empires too.

If you must play Empire then Gelt gets an easier start than Karl or Volkmar, but finds it harder to secure the empire and get enough authority because he's off in the corner.

If you want to play Skaven then they get a lot easier with the Prophet and Warlock DLC, which adds Ikit Claw as a lord, and a load of good units. Without those you'll struggle as a beginner.

[grognardgary]

In My opinion for whatever that's worth Thorek Ironbrow Has far and away the easiest. campaign for a beginner every thing is fairly linear Basically you go north adding Troops as you go. You'll have to fight a lizard man faction early but after you chew up 2 o 3 of their armies they'll ask for peace and you become best buds. And note they'll never send troops to help in a fight but they are bad ass enough to keep the dark elves from crawling up your ass later on. Note all this is on Normal Normal or easy easy things start changing sometimes drastically above that. And as a beginner that's where you should be playing any way.

By the way If I'm catching your drift you started out with the hunts marshal's expedition probably the second hardest in the game? No wonder you got slaughtered. You start out hard wired to kill lizards one of the toughest factions in the game and no natural allies any where.

[Trankhanhduyh]

Originally posted by grognardgary:

In My opinion for whatever that's worth Thorek Ironbrow Has far and away the easiest. campaign for a beginner every thing is fairly linear Basically you go north adding Troops as you go. You'll have to fight a lizard man faction early but after you chew up 2 o 3 of their armies they'll ask for peace and you become best buds. And note they'll never send troops to help in a fight but they are bad ass enough to keep the dark elves from crawling up your ass later on. Note all this is on Normal Normal or easy easy things start changing sometimes drastically above that. And as a beginner that's where you should be playing any way.

By the way If I'm catching your drift you started out with the hunts marshal's expedition probably the second hardest in the game? No wonder you got slaughtered. You start out hard wired to kill lizards one of the toughest factions in the game and no natural allies any where.

oh lmao so thats why like for real tho why did they make lizard men soo damn strong when i play the first skaven lord campaign i have to fight them while being given order to chase off the elves they have really annoying flying unit that they keep spamming

[grognardgary]

Originally posted by Trankhanhduyh:

Originally posted by grognardgary:

In My opinion for whatever that's worth Thorek Ironbrow Has far and away the easiest. campaign for a beginner every thing is fairly linear Basically you go north adding Troops as you go. You'll have to fight a lizard man faction early but after you chew up 2 o 3 of their armies they'll ask for peace and you become best buds. And note they'll never send troops to help in a fight but they are bad ass enough to keep the dark elves from crawling up your ass later on. Note all this is on Normal Normal or easy easy things start changing sometimes drastically above that. And as a beginner that's where you should be playing any way.

By the way If I'm catching your drift you started out with the hunts marshal's expedition probably the second hardest in the game? No wonder you got slaughtered. You start out hard wired to kill lizards one of the toughest factions in the game and no natural allies any where.

oh lmao so thats why like for real tho why did they make lizard men soo damn strong when i play the first skaven lord campaign i have to fight them while being given order to chase off the elves they have really annoying flying unit that they keep spamming

it isnt that Lizards are so strong as it is that skaven are pretty awful at the start of the game and match up really poorly against lizards till they start getting their really good ranges units. Dwarves on the other hand match up much better against lizzies early game, Especially Ironbrows faction.

[StrangeAK47]

watch some youtube videos, lionheartx10 is good for beginners or legend of totalwar if you want a guide to cheese

[malkavius77]

As someone who is terrible at the game my 2 cents.

Kroq gar and Gor Rok are pretty damn easy for the most part. Kroq has a very safe corner in vortex although his ME campaign is also in a safe corner (unless malus bum rushes you) it's fairly slow start due to how far apart cities are. Gorrok starts with the strongest hero in the game with lord kroak that demolishes infantry easily getting 500-1000 kills all game. But he also starts in the lustria bowl which can get very hectic if you don't know what to expect.

While chaos is considered the worst faction in the game for the most part. If you play on normal or lower you pretty much steamroll anything that comes close to you but it's still a pain in the ass and not a good way to learn the game.

Beastmen are pretty much THE easy mode now since their update and have a fun and unique play style.

[Big Moustache]

Wurzag has it pretty easy in the badlands, and can build up waagh fast.

[kamikharzeeh]

karl franz @ empire. was my 2nd ever campaign back then. if u have him: oxyotl @ lizardmen. or dawi. order factions are usually rather easy, as u have quality armies (ergo, better individual unit performance)


other than that, just don't play higher difficulties yet and u can play any faction u like. focus on learning how things work in the game, like positioning of armies on the campaign map and scouting with heroes, that's half of the potentially hard factors yet.

(technically u can learn the game with any faction)

also, don#t be afraid of restarting cmapaigns. it becomes kinda regular habit on higher difficulties, at certain starts. (u can easily mess up hard starts, sometimes by RNG as the ai doesn't always have the very same actions)

[Michael Daemon]

Vampire Coast.

[Trankhanhduyh]

Originally posted by kamikharzeeh:

karl franz @ empire. was my 2nd ever campaign back then. if u have him: oxyotl @ lizardmen. or dawi. order factions are usually rather easy, as u have quality armies (ergo, better individual unit performance)


other than that, just don't play higher difficulties yet and u can play any faction u like. focus on learning how things work in the game, like positioning of armies on the campaign map and scouting with heroes, that's half of the potentially hard factors yet.

(technically u can learn the game with any faction)

also, don#t be afraid of restarting cmapaigns. it becomes kinda regular habit on higher difficulties, at certain starts. (u can easily mess up hard starts, sometimes by RNG as the ai doesn't always have the very same actions)

Ye i figure so lol i have some fun spamming gatling gun but now im being pounded by 3 stacks of lizard mens so no way im getting out of this.