High elves hard counter vampires

[SafeSpace]

Late game for vampires is terrible.

[Calculus]

As vampire counts you should be pretty strong when facing elves, your units are indeed trash, but your heroes are the best in the game. So probably a hero stacks would work the best against high elves because trashstacks indeed can have hard time.

[Sn3z]

Vampire counts should be well able to strip the mobility off of HE, that's a big advantage, use fast units for striking back line, and GG or cairn wariths with mortis engine, pop spawns on back lines you can't access, just rush. Try ambushing or fighting pitched battles, avoid sieges where there's to many HE units.

[SafeSpace]

Originally posted by Calculus:

As vampire counts you should be pretty strong when facing elves, your units are indeed trash, but your heroes are the best in the game. So probably a hero stacks would work the best against high elves because trashstacks indeed can have hard time.

I find wight king stacks to be quite effective, although they either need healing items or a necromancer or two. The main problem i have is how many units in the HE roster end up with fire based attacks making regen detrimental, i lost a level 40 ghoul king on a terrorgheist who had mainly combat buffs AND the sword of kaine utterly trashed in 1v1 by teclis on his bloody gay rainbow bird. Most of Vampires effective units have inherent regen making them ♥♥♥♥♥ against trash units like flamespire phoenix and sun dragons, tyrion also has flame based attacks, the only thing I can think of that would be any good is blood knights if you can avoid all the spears.

[Calculus]

Originally posted by Chungus khan:

Originally posted by Calculus:

As vampire counts you should be pretty strong when facing elves, your units are indeed trash, but your heroes are the best in the game. So probably a hero stacks would work the best against high elves because trashstacks indeed can have hard time.

I find wight king stacks to be quite effective, although they either need healing items or a necromancer or two. The main problem i have is how many units in the HE roster end up with fire based attacks making regen detrimental, i lost a level 40 ghoul king on a terrorgheist who had mainly combat buffs AND the sword of kaine utterly trashed in 1v1 by teclis on his bloody gay rainbow bird. Most of Vampires effective units have inherent regen making them ♥♥♥♥♥ against trash units like flamespire phoenix and sun dragons, tyrion also has flame based attacks, the only thing I can think of that would be any good is blood knights if you can avoid all the spears.

Well, single entity stacks are always much better with healing.
Also, why would you 1v1 anyone? With single entity stacks you always want to keep your units together.
And vampire effective units? It's only heroes and skelly spam XD... their roster is a real trash, i hope it will be different in immortal empires.

[grab these bandages]

I think what you doing something wrong. 2-3 varghulfs to kill dragons and phoenixes + skeletons blob on map edge + wind of death. With this tactic you can paint all Ulthuan without any serious problems and doesn't matter what difficulty you play. Just stack knowledgable necro's and level them up. Before turn 90 AI rarely hire more than two or tree phoenixes\dragons.
This tactic also works perfectly against Dark Elves too.

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by Chungus khan:

Originally posted by Calculus:

As vampire counts you should be pretty strong when facing elves, your units are indeed trash, but your heroes are the best in the game. So probably a hero stacks would work the best against high elves because trashstacks indeed can have hard time.

I find wight king stacks to be quite effective, although they either need healing items or a necromancer or two. The main problem i have is how many units in the HE roster end up with fire based attacks making regen detrimental, i lost a level 40 ghoul king on a terrorgheist who had mainly combat buffs AND the sword of kaine utterly trashed in 1v1 by teclis on his bloody gay rainbow bird. Most of Vampires effective units have inherent regen making them ♥♥♥♥♥ against trash units like flamespire phoenix and sun dragons, tyrion also has flame based attacks, the only thing I can think of that would be any good is blood knights if you can avoid all the spears.

A ghoulking in an 1v1 with teclis, both on birds? Chances are very little that he loses, SoK alone sees to that, even baseline, he has many adventages. I'd guess he got shot to pieces.
The fire dmg buff is only 25%, which barly outmatches the poison debuff in that matchup.

Besides that, i'd agree that HE aren't the easiest enemy to take down as vamps, fortunatly the Ai got little idea how to fight you well. If it was pvp, it would be another story.