people who said that nakai is weak.....

[D-Black Catto]

wtf nakai is almost as easy as taurox. I'm just steamrolling everything while the ai occasionally musters and army and sends it at one of the super fortified settlements of defenders of the great plan....

only to start sieging it for several turns...

...while I activate attrition storms....

and then the garrison defeats the ai, while nakai is far away conquering, conquering and conquering with a doomstack of kroxigors

it's turn 40, and the biggest challenge were first 5 turns or so, now it's just child's play. and these god bonuses are just op! and that's on the so called "very hard" difficulty

Even if I lose several units it's no big deal because nakai has insane recruitment queue and speed

[Gresh]

Nakai's alright. Especially if you don't care about having allies. I 'this is total war'd' Lustria, killed all the Lizardmen, and had a great time.

[SammyDabadoo]

nice I'm considering getting the DLC now.

[D-Black Catto]

Originally posted by Dulce:

Nakai's alright. Especially if you don't care about having allies. I 'this is total war'd' Lustria, killed all the Lizardmen, and had a great time.

what do you mean, I have millitary alliance with 3 lizardman factions and confederated a minor faction in the south(the turn later they got anihilated by khalida)

the only hostile lizard faction to me was itza, but even they signed peace after taking one city of mine and relations with them are now rising.

oh, playing on vortex btw

[Gresh]

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

Originally posted by Dulce:

Nakai's alright. Especially if you don't care about having allies. I 'this is total war'd' Lustria, killed all the Lizardmen, and had a great time.

what do you mean, I have millitary alliance with 3 lizardman factions and confederated a minor faction in the south(the turn later they got anihilated by khalida)

the only hostile lizard faction to me was itza, but even they signed peace after taking one city of mine and relations with them are now rising.

oh, playing on vortex btw

They don't declare war on your vassal? That's the biggest problem with Nakai generally

[D-Black Catto]

Originally posted by Dulce:

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

what do you mean, I have millitary alliance with 3 lizardman factions and confederated a minor faction in the south(the turn later they got anihilated by khalida)

the only hostile lizard faction to me was itza, but even they signed peace after taking one city of mine and relations with them are now rising.

oh, playing on vortex btw

They don't declare war on your vassal? That's the biggest problem with Nakai generally

itza did, but it was actually my fault

cause it was a couple of turns after I confederated another lizard, so itza got -40 relations penalty in addition to their starting -15 antipathy

Still, they agreed to peace pretty quickly, so whatever.

[Verchial]

I tend to agree. Think that the AI is just not good at dealing with hordes.

And CA knows this. Which may explain why there are no true hordes in WH3.

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

Originally posted by Dulce:

Nakai's alright. Especially if you don't care about having allies. I 'this is total war'd' Lustria, killed all the Lizardmen, and had a great time.

what do you mean, I have millitary alliance with 3 lizardman factions and confederated a minor faction in the south(the turn later they got anihilated by khalida)

the only hostile lizard faction to me was itza, but even they signed peace after taking one city of mine and relations with them are now rising.

oh, playing on vortex btw

Itza was hostile to you? Whom are you protecting again? ;)

That's exactly what sucks about Nakai. It is not him(lol how could it be). Or his army. No. It's his useless vassal. Imagine being in a vassal relationship with Tlaxtlan or, hear this, Itza. It's a whole another experience, trust me!

[D-Black Catto]

Originally posted by Gorwe:

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

what do you mean, I have millitary alliance with 3 lizardman factions and confederated a minor faction in the south(the turn later they got anihilated by khalida)

the only hostile lizard faction to me was itza, but even they signed peace after taking one city of mine and relations with them are now rising.

oh, playing on vortex btw

Itza was hostile to you? Whom are you protecting again? ;)

tbh I wonder that too, what's the lore behind nakai having low affinity with itza

[Gresh]

I don't think there's any lore for it really. Just a game design decision. Doesn't Gor Rok have "mistrusts other lizardmen" or something like that for a trait?

[Gresh]

I just checked. Gor Rok has "cold blooded logic," not mistrusts lizardmen. He starts out with positive affinity +20 towards Nakai too.

Maybe you just made him ornery.

[chaosbringer42]

The biggest issue is generally everyone starts warring on your vassal, then you have to fight off 8-10 armies at once. The moment that happens and if you get unlucky and lose Nakai, you lose the game. Because Nakai is the only lord who allows recruitment (at least the last time I played him it was like that). He might be a beast (top 10 combat lords), but he also has terrible campaign/army passives.

Then you have your vassal, which used to be the worst possible thing ever (10-13 units garrison, no walls for EVERY settlement). It got updated and is near worthwhile now (walls and higher number of garrison units), but it used to get constant rebellions and lose to them first/second turn of them.

[AmesNFire]

Originally posted by chaosbringer42:

The biggest issue is generally everyone starts warring on your vassal, then you have to fight off 8-10 armies at once. The moment that happens and if you get unlucky and lose Nakai, you lose the game. Because Nakai is the only lord who allows recruitment (at least the last time I played him it was like that). He might be a beast (top 10 combat lords), but he also has terrible campaign/army passives.

Then you have your vassal, which used to be the worst possible thing ever (10-13 units garrison, no walls for EVERY settlement). It got updated and is near worthwhile now (walls and higher number of garrison units), but it used to get constant rebellions and lose to them first/second turn of them.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2795304981

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by AmesNFire:

Originally posted by chaosbringer42:

The biggest issue is generally everyone starts warring on your vassal, then you have to fight off 8-10 armies at once. The moment that happens and if you get unlucky and lose Nakai, you lose the game. Because Nakai is the only lord who allows recruitment (at least the last time I played him it was like that). He might be a beast (top 10 combat lords), but he also has terrible campaign/army passives.

Then you have your vassal, which used to be the worst possible thing ever (10-13 units garrison, no walls for EVERY settlement). It got updated and is near worthwhile now (walls and higher number of garrison units), but it used to get constant rebellions and lose to them first/second turn of them.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2795304981

That is good. But! Look for "Nakai, Hound of _"(preferably Itza) for an ultimate power trip.

[malkavius77]

I also think his issues are considered far more detrimental on ME than vortex. Because it start to become a ridiculous chaos warrior wack a mole style campaign the further you get. Your vassal will start getting wrecked by tougher armies left and right and you aren't anyways near lizard friends. Also I imagine he's just a slog on harder difficulties but on normal it's fun to plow through the chaos wastes for a while.

[D-Black Catto]

Originally posted by Dulce:

I just checked. Gor Rok has "cold blooded logic," not mistrusts lizardmen. He starts out with positive affinity +20 towards Nakai too.

Maybe you just made him ornery.

wait, affinity can change throughout the game based on diplomatic actions? I thought it's a hard set value, predetermined and only adjustable by tech?

gor rok has dissonance trait, which is what's probably responsible for the affinity loss

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2856650857

Originally posted by malkavius77:

I also think his issues are considered far more detrimental on ME than vortex. Because it start to become a ridiculous chaos warrior wack a mole style campaign the further you get. Your vassal will start getting wrecked by tougher armies left and right and you aren't anyways near lizard friends. Also I imagine he's just a slog on harder difficulties but on normal it's fun to plow through the chaos wastes for a while.

nah, you can get this kinda gifts from your vassal(and to less extend your allies) on very hard every few turns

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2856649549