Tomb Kings the weakest faction in the game?

[Red Purger]

Arkhan the Black was the first LL I ever played when I bought the game since I love necromancers and undead armies and all that crap, but after playing a bunch of the other factions I really feel like tomb kings have some of the worst starts in the entire game.

For starters, the actual enemies you have to fight early on are really strong against tomb kings. Two of the LLs, Arkhan and Khatep, have really weird starts that make you feel cornered by your opponents. Settra's start is better but you're still having to deal with savage orks, and especially Grimgor who in my experiences always ends up taking over the badlands. Can't speak much about that one chick because I've never played her but I imagine her start isn't much better.

I think the main problem is that Tomb Kings are really slow early game. It's really easy to feel like you're getting outpaced because you can't even build any good units until you level up your settlements to tier 3 which costs time and a lot of money, and considering that skelly economy is nonexistent it'll take a while, especially if you go the casket of souls route.

I'm just frustrated that they are so slow early on and feel so boring compared to other factions who feel more fun throughout the entire playthrough. Every time I play Arkhan or Settra I feel like if i make even one mistake it's game over. Lose a single starting unit like the scorpion or the war sphinx and it's like "I will never financially recover from this"

[Gresh]

Yeah you nailed the problems with them. I don't think they're the weakest, but they do have a very slow start that steamrolls as you get additional armies. I think they're probably somewhere on the lower side of middle in strength.

Khatep's start is probably the hardest in the game, imo. Which is a shame because he's my favorite. Maybe Skarsnik has it worse? Arkhan's start is pretty rough too.

[malkavius77]

I don't think they are bad just bland as hell early game and have meh magic. They are one of those factions that people either love or hate. I can't get past their boring early game that feels similar to Vcounts skelly spam but without the good magic.

[Calculus]

For their economy... raid. It's one of few expections of raiding not being worth it.
Raiding as tomb kings will give you much more money than economy building and it grants you relation buffs with enemies of raided faction, it's great early game.
For late game there is a cheese/exploit with one of the followers, unless it was patched.

And if you want as chill tomb kings experience as possible, play as settra.
Can't say about Khatep but Arkhan has the hardest starting position in the game and there is no good guide on him...
I recently tried a strat of building up a second army and then pushing north and let me tell you... it's terrible.
It's much better to push north early on and with the right unit placement you will get attacked by your starting enemy in scenario that is fairly easy to win then take their only city and aattack rasponse before they have any chance to confederate with the rest of brettonia... if they do, you are in deep trouble.


Another really important thing with tomb kings is: specialize your armies, and have any weaknesses covered by the second army.

[Invisible]

In multiplayer battles they have a hard time. In Vortx and ME they are a good faction, but you need to adapt your strategy. Going wide is very important because of the research rate debuff for every "dynastie" you research. Every TK LL has something differnt to offer and plays differnent.

[GalloglassCA]

Never found em weak. Warhammer 3 gave them nice qol improvements but I always found their start slow stuff to be more of a myth when you get easy access to a good artillery unit at the start of the game and can get stuff like turn 15 Ushabti with Khatep. (and cheese Necrotects if you really want to)

[Myth Alric]

In case you are wondering, the Queen Khalida gets to face off with Korq-Gar and a second faction of lizardmen. So no, it isn't any better. I mean, once you kill the lizardmen, it isn't a bad location, but trying to kill lizardmen with a bunch of low level skeletons is definitely annoying.

[intenselygoodtime]

Oh man; this thread has me fired up! So it sounds like Queen Khalida is a really fun (read: difficult but not impossible) first play-through for TK, or does one of the other LLs have something special/different that is a must-see?

In TWWH1, I noticed that you could gradually hire all the faction's LLs and do most of their LL-specific quests within one campaign -- if that's true here as well, then perhaps it's just a matter of power-leveling all the LLs again?

Once I beat a campaign with one faction, I'm unlikely to rotate back to it for quite some time (and High Elves are last just due to... those threads...).

[Bassus]

I absolutely agree with this thread, as a Repanse, Bretonnia main. I want ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ strong Tomb Kings, i finally want a challanging crusade against the undead. What does CA give us at the moment?
Hahahahahaha, Dark Elves go brrr, there is no, srsly NO SINGLE MOD or campange in TWW 2 where at the end of the day i hadn't fought the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DRUCHII as my last oppponent, i'm so angry at this point i'd like them to not exist in the game anymore. Also the Orcs are anoying aswell, i absolutely agree. It is simply redicoulus how unbalanced these two factions are. They dominate each game, so it's simply absolutely boring.
NERF DRUCHII, NERF ORCS
BUFF TOMB KINGS

PS: Sry for bad spelling, i'm not a native speaker and a little drunk xD

[Count von Bunnyhopven]

Originally posted by Dulce:

Yeah you nailed the problems with them. I don't think they're the weakest, but they do have a very slow start that steamrolls as you get additional armies. I think they're probably somewhere on the lower side of middle in strength.

Khatep's start is probably the hardest in the game, imo. Which is a shame because he's my favorite. Maybe Skarsnik has it worse? Arkhan's start is pretty rough too.

They actually fixed this problem in WH3 by making all the early tomb king buildings much cheaper and making some units like ushabis and tomb scorpions lower tier. Thus you get access to the good stuff much earlier.

Originally posted by malkavius77:

I don't think they are bad just bland as hell early game and have meh magic. They are one of those factions that people either love or hate. I can't get past their boring early game that feels similar to Vcounts skelly spam but without the good magic.

Yea, this! They have three types of magic I think and the only goodish one, the lore of shadows is only accessable after some quests. Lore of Death and Lore of Nekehara are two of the absolute weakest lores in the game imho.

[Gresh]

Originally posted by Count von Bunnyhopven:

Yea, this! They have three types of magic I think and the only goodish one, the lore of shadows is only accessable after some quests. Lore of Death and Lore of Nekehara are two of the absolute weakest lores in the game imho.

They get lore of light too. Banishment is pretty good, but yeah Shadows is pretty nice.

I had a start with Khalida (IIRC) that gave me a knowledgeable Shadow Priest as my starting hero... I'm not sure if that's a bug or not but it was fantastic.

[D-Black Catto]

played my first wh2 campaign as arkhan, controlled khemri by turn 40, invaded ulthain around the same time lmao

if a noob like me 300 hours of gameplay ago could do it, then I can only suspect it must be skill issue on your part

[Ben]

You can also become incredibly rich if you're willing to add a bit of cheese to the whole experience!

[Red Purger]

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

played my first wh2 campaign as arkhan, controlled khemri by turn 40, invaded ulthain around the same time lmao

if a noob like me 300 hours of gameplay ago could do it, then I can only suspect it must be skill issue on your part

yeah I don't take the game seriously enough to get that good at it. I just want to play semi-casually.

[Calculus]

Originally posted by Bassus:

I absolutely agree with this thread, as a Repanse, Bretonnia main. I want ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ strong Tomb Kings, i finally want a challanging crusade against the undead. What does CA give us at the moment?
Hahahahahaha, Dark Elves go brrr, there is no, srsly NO SINGLE MOD or campange in TWW 2 where at the end of the day i hadn't fought the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DRUCHII as my last oppponent, i'm so angry at this point i'd like them to not exist in the game anymore. Also the Orcs are anoying aswell, i absolutely agree. It is simply redicoulus how unbalanced these two factions are. They dominate each game, so it's simply absolutely boring.
NERF DRUCHII, NERF ORCS
BUFF TOMB KINGS

PS: Sry for bad spelling, i'm not a native speaker and a little drunk xD

Orcs did get nerfed in wh3, now you won't get khurzak dominate south, grimgor dominate north and randomly they just confederate.
Also dark elves were nerfed in wh3, they have a different slave system.
And tomb kings did got buffed in wh3 as well...

[D-Black Catto]

Originally posted by Red Purger:

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

played my first wh2 campaign as arkhan, controlled khemri by turn 40, invaded ulthain around the same time lmao

if a noob like me 300 hours of gameplay ago could do it, then I can only suspect it must be skill issue on your part

yeah I don't take the game seriously enough to get that good at it. I just want to play semi-casually.

you don't have to take the game "seriously" to be good at it, was my point. what does it even mean to take the game seriously?