How I actually feel about Cylostra Direfin

[Zoie Shales]

So, moments ago, Cylostra Direfin was revield as a LL for Vampire Coast, which i'll admit was kind of a surprise, I thought it was Princess Layla based on the silhouette, heh.

But anyways, I don't want to appear like Im angry and frothing mad about this new addition, infact, I like her, but...my concern is with CA making LL's up when there are other named charactors that could be used.

In a newer-ish faction like Vampire Coast, this is fine, but It shouldn't become a thing in other more established factions, even obscure charactors like Tretch and Ghorst have been in the lore for decades and they get crud for being used over other charactors like Thanquol and Konrad von Carstein, a new charactor made up on the spot could come off as...odd.

Happy CA is taking chances but, some people dont want Squeekersmcsqueekerson where Ikit Claw would do perfectly, Cylostra Direfin is a fine LL in a faction where little else is available.

[Drakomonk%_0-THE-GATOR]

Its weird how people cried over a Orginal character by CA but will still cried over if CA add a obusrce character that ISN'T what they want. I'm willing to bet that 99% of the popluation didn't even know about the Sliver Princeness (Like, who on earth is she?) or any Obsurce character like Vangheist before the vampire coast was annouced. So really, is there harm to be done when CA don't add in footnote charcters from the lore? Like, please just think about it.

In my opinion, she is a very solid lord for the Vampire Coast. She is unique and she is the literal represention of the phrase "Not over till the Fat lady sings". I mean come on, she a ghostly oprea singer pirate for crying out loud! How many LLs you know sang in the Oprea? I thought so.

I also call her a blessing in disguise. because CA can add their own LLs to minor factions that don't have much lore behind them. Arbay, Dogs of War, Amazones, and so on. CA have stated that they have been closely working with Games Workshop through out the series. I'm pretty sure GWs gave CA their blessing to make their own characters. So, you might want to get used to the fact that CA might do this again in the future.

I said this a long time ago and i'm saying it again. The people in the TWW community always overhype themselves into believeing anything. Even If it doesn't make much sense. Many youtubers like loremaster of Stotek and milikandcookies have all said that CA were more then likely to add a OC to the vampire coast anyway. So really, the community needs to reserve their hype level otherwise they will be open to disappointed. Unfortunately, there been many times where it has not been the case. Let me list a few of them

1. The Skaven FLC
- Almost everyone in the fourms at the time thought they will add Ikit Claw to the flc or even Thanquol. But, it was not the case and CA added Tretech. Many people were upset over. While there is a good argumentin the question of if Tretch was a good choice as a FLC. However, the problem lies with people overhypeing over characters that were not confiremed.

2. The "Old friend FLC" from Total War Warhammer 1
-This was a long time ago. But, this was pretty much the same situation like the skaven FLC. people thought that Boris Toddbringer will be a playble legendry lord alongside Middenland as the faction. But that was not the case and it turn out to be Krell. people were again, upset and mad over it.

3. The Vampire Coast Annoucment
-Pretty recent. People geting upset over a faction that they didn't want when it was quite clear at the time that this faction could be anything. While i understand Dogs of War is a popluar choice in the coummlity. However, it quite silly to beileve in 100% certainly that this was going to be a Dogs of War or a faction you want where again, CA made it clear that this faction will not be what you expected.

4. Dataminers "leaks"
- This is more or less few examples of events that relateds to dataminers. Dataminers are never trusted source of information. The "Russian Datamined map" is pretty much not to be trusted anymore considering how CA are adding factions that were not in it. The same is true for the Silver Princess when almost everyone thought it was gonna be her due to the "leak' by the dataminers. However, history reapted itself again and people in Reddit and the Steam fourms intentionally set themselves up for disappointment. I remeber a long time ago when the units for Albion were "leaked" in Reddit. But, it turns out to be a Hoax.

I'm not saying that you should not craft theorys and speculation for the new faction or LLs. I personally think that speculation is really fun. Heck, I done it too when i speculated that Skretch was one of the LL lord option for the Vampire Coast. There is noting wrong with that. The problem lies with people believeing with complete certainly that faction X or LL X will be in the game and then all Sudden being mad and upset at CA because they didn't add what you expected. All in all, cool down your hype guys.

Also i'm aware how long this post is, I justed wanted to get this off my head.

[BigEl_nobody]

I dont really have much of a problem with the specific design or choice of the thought up LL.

I think the faction of Vampire Coast in general was a bad choice to do as the next big faction after Tomb Kings because its just too obscure and not fleshed out enough in terms of LLs. They are scratching the bottom of the barrel already with Saltspire.
I realize their options become limited now for the New World but I would have preferred a Southern Realms/Sartosa/Dogs of War hybrid faction since I think there is A LOT more to work with in terms of both LLs and unit roster.

[Voxrox]

Origineel geplaatst door End Times Observer:

Origineel geplaatst door Voxrox:

i might refer to my recent thread which had this JOKE done correct at least:

It aint over until the fat lady SINKS!

Because now, the joke is a pun, sea and water related. Because this is A DLC and Lord with a naval seam. I mean theme..

As to the OP ... puh, I am just glad they did all this with a faction I have zero interest in.

I just hope the Opera Singer, Fish on sticks and the two Barbossa-Rejects don't end up turning the whole map into their little creepshow.

If I see actually interesting characters constantly wiped out by those Pirates and Pirate-Empires instead of TRUE Empires ... well, I hope mods can fix it ^^

Thank you Amy Schumer.

No thanks needed! I am here all night!

[Zoie Shales]

Origineel geplaatst door Drakomonk%_O-THE-GATOR:

Its weird how people cried over a Orginal character by CA but will still cried over if CA add a obusrce character that ISN'T what they want. I'm willing to bet that 99% of the popluation didn't even know about the Sliver Princeness (Like, who on earth is she?) or any Obsurce character like Vangheist before the vampire coast was annouced. So really, is there harm to be done when CA don't add in footnote charcters from the lore? Like, please just think about it.

In my opinion, she is a very solid lord for the Vampire Coast. She is unique and she is the literal represention of the phrase "Not over till the Fat lady sings". I mean come on, she a ghostly oprea singer pirate for crying out loud! How many LLs you know sang in the Oprea? I thought so. :tgrin:

I also call her a blessing in disguise. because CA can add their own LLs to minor factions that don't have much lore behind them. Arbay, Dogs of War, Amazones, and so on. CA have stated that they have been closely working with Games Workshop through out the series. I'm pretty sure GWs gave CA their blessing to make their own characters. So, you might want to get used to the fact that CA might do this again in the future.

I said this a long time ago and i'm saying it again. The people in the TWW community always overhype themselves into believeing anything. Even If it doesn't make much sense. Many youtubers like loremaster of Stotek and milikandcookies have all said that CA were more then likely to add a OC to the vampire coast anyway. So really, the community needs to reserve their hype level otherwise they will be open to disappointed. Unfortunately, there been many times where it has not been the case. Let me list a few of them

1. The Skaven FLC
- Almost everyone in the fourms at the time thought they will add Ikit Claw to the flc or even Thanquol. But, it was not the case and CA added Tretech. Many people were upset over. While there is a good argumentin the question of if Tretch was a good choice as a FLC. However, the problem lies with people overhypeing over characters that were not confiremed.

2. The "Old friend FLC" from Total War Warhammer 1
-This was a long time ago. But, this was pretty much the same situation like the skaven FLC. people thought that Boris Toddbringer will be a playble legendry lord alongside Middenland as the faction. But that was not the case and it turn out to be Krell. people were again, upset and mad over it.

3. The Vampire Coast Annoucment
-Pretty recent. People geting upset over a faction that they didn't want when it was quite clear at the time that this faction could be anything. While i understand Dogs of War is a popluar choice in the coummlity. However, it quite silly to beileve in 100% certainly that this was going to be a Dogs of War or a faction you want where again, CA made it clear that this faction will not be what you expected.

4. Dataminers "leaks"
- This is more or less few examples of events that relateds to dataminers. Dataminers are never trusted source of information. The "Russian Datamined map" is pretty much not to be trusted anymore considering how CA are adding factions that were not in it. The same is true for the Silver Princess when almost everyone thought it was gonna be her due to the "leak' by the dataminers. However, history reapted itself again and people in Reddit and the Steam fourms intentionally set themselves up for disappointment. I remeber a long time ago when the units for Albion were "leaked" in Reddit. But, it turns out to be a Hoax.

I'm not saying that you should not craft theorys and speculation for the new faction or LLs. I personally think that speculation is really fun. Heck, I done it too when i speculated that Skretch was one of the LL lord option for the Vampire Coast. There is noting wrong with that. The problem lies with people believeing with complete certainly that faction X or LL X will be in the game and then all Sudden being mad and upset at CA because they didn't add what you expected. All in all, cool down your hype guys.

Also i'm aware how long this post is, I justed wanted to get this off my head.

I agree with your point, though this time it's a little different, as Cylostra is the first LL to be added that is 100% CA created, we figured that they would have added one one those obscure charactors atleast, so it was a bit of a surprise to many I assume. Reguardless, I agree with cooling down the hype, expecially now that there is the chance that anything could happen.

[Drakomonk%_0-THE-GATOR]

Origineel geplaatst door Zoie Shales:

Origineel geplaatst door Drakomonk%_O-THE-GATOR:

Its weird how people cried over a Orginal character by CA but will still cried over if CA add a obusrce character that ISN'T what they want. I'm willing to bet that 99% of the popluation didn't even know about the Sliver Princeness (Like, who on earth is she?) or any Obsurce character like Vangheist before the vampire coast was annouced. So really, is there harm to be done when CA don't add in footnote charcters from the lore? Like, please just think about it.

In my opinion, she is a very solid lord for the Vampire Coast. She is unique and she is the literal represention of the phrase "Not over till the Fat lady sings". I mean come on, she a ghostly oprea singer pirate for crying out loud! How many LLs you know sang in the Oprea? I thought so.

I also call her a blessing in disguise. because CA can add their own LLs to minor factions that don't have much lore behind them. Arbay, Dogs of War, Amazones, and so on. CA have stated that they have been closely working with Games Workshop through out the series. I'm pretty sure GWs gave CA their blessing to make their own characters. So, you might want to get used to the fact that CA might do this again in the future.

I said this a long time ago and i'm saying it again. The people in the TWW community always overhype themselves into believeing anything. Even If it doesn't make much sense. Many youtubers like loremaster of Stotek and milikandcookies have all said that CA were more then likely to add a OC to the vampire coast anyway. So really, the community needs to reserve their hype level otherwise they will be open to disappointed. Unfortunately, there been many times where it has not been the case. Let me list a few of them

1. The Skaven FLC
- Almost everyone in the fourms at the time thought they will add Ikit Claw to the flc or even Thanquol. But, it was not the case and CA added Tretech. Many people were upset over. While there is a good argumentin the question of if Tretch was a good choice as a FLC. However, the problem lies with people overhypeing over characters that were not confiremed.

2. The "Old friend FLC" from Total War Warhammer 1
-This was a long time ago. But, this was pretty much the same situation like the skaven FLC. people thought that Boris Toddbringer will be a playble legendry lord alongside Middenland as the faction. But that was not the case and it turn out to be Krell. people were again, upset and mad over it.

3. The Vampire Coast Annoucment
-Pretty recent. People geting upset over a faction that they didn't want when it was quite clear at the time that this faction could be anything. While i understand Dogs of War is a popluar choice in the coummlity. However, it quite silly to beileve in 100% certainly that this was going to be a Dogs of War or a faction you want where again, CA made it clear that this faction will not be what you expected.

4. Dataminers "leaks"
- This is more or less few examples of events that relateds to dataminers. Dataminers are never trusted source of information. The "Russian Datamined map" is pretty much not to be trusted anymore considering how CA are adding factions that were not in it. The same is true for the Silver Princess when almost everyone thought it was gonna be her due to the "leak' by the dataminers. However, history reapted itself again and people in Reddit and the Steam fourms intentionally set themselves up for disappointment. I remeber a long time ago when the units for Albion were "leaked" in Reddit. But, it turns out to be a Hoax.

I'm not saying that you should not craft theorys and speculation for the new faction or LLs. I personally think that speculation is really fun. Heck, I done it too when i speculated that Skretch was one of the LL lord option for the Vampire Coast. There is noting wrong with that. The problem lies with people believeing with complete certainly that faction X or LL X will be in the game and then all Sudden being mad and upset at CA because they didn't add what you expected. All in all, cool down your hype guys.

Also i'm aware how long this post is, I justed wanted to get this off my head.

I agree with your point, though this time it's a little different, as Cylostra is the first LL to be added that is 100% CA created, we figured that they would have added one one those obscure charactors atleast, so it was a bit of a surprise to many I assume. Reguardless, I agree with cooling down the hype, expecially now that there is the chance that anything could happen.

I agree it will seem odd at first that CA will add a OC to Warhammer. That is a change that people may be caught by surpise at first. However, people seem to forget that there isn't really a lot of "cool" LLs for the vampire coast other then footnote characters. I rather that they make a cool OC then a footenote character if you ask me.

Also my other problem is that when people get mad or upset over something that was not what they expected. They tend to attack the employees of CA like Grace_CA by calling them "Evil, greedy, SJW, Disrepectful" and whatever names they can come up with. Apparently shooting the messenger is the way to go.

[Voxrox]

The usual people calling CA the evil SJW have already started to pop up ^^

[Drakomonk%_0-THE-GATOR]

Origineel geplaatst door Voxrox:

The usual people calling CA the evil SJW have already started to pop up ^^

Considering that the new LL is a fat oprea singer lady. I would not be surpise

I can't wait when someone claims that there is conspiracy that CA are Evil Social justice warriors trying to put more Social justice stuff in Total war warhammer.

[Bulanskovich]

It's kinda been confirmed Vangheist will be in for example which means we might get special lords akin to TK dynasty ones.

Lore-wise it probably would not make much sense for them to be leaders, but that doesn't meant they won't be in as either quest or research rewards or maybe their own factions.

Source: https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/2235483/#Comment_2235483 - a developer comment.

[Zoie Shales]

Origineel geplaatst door Drakomonk%_O-THE-GATOR:

Origineel geplaatst door Zoie Shales:

I agree with your point, though this time it's a little different, as Cylostra is the first LL to be added that is 100% CA created, we figured that they would have added one one those obscure charactors atleast, so it was a bit of a surprise to many I assume. Reguardless, I agree with cooling down the hype, expecially now that there is the chance that anything could happen.

I agree it will seem odd at first that CA will add a OC to Warhammer. That is a change that people may be caught by surpise at first. However, people seem to forget that there isn't really a lot of "cool" LLs for the vampire coast other then footnote characters. I rather that they make a cool OC then a footenote character if you ask me.

Also my other problem is that when people get mad or upset over something that was not what they expected. They tend to attack the employees of CA like Grace_CA by calling them "Evil, greedy, SJW, Disrepectful" and whatever names they can come up with. Apparnatly shooting the messenger is the way to go apparently.

This is true, I'm perfectly fine with them creating OC charactors for a faction that otherwise doesn't have much to work with, just hope that they don't do it with factions that do have plenty to work with.

Tretch, Krell, Ghorst, they all have been in Fantasy battle's lore for decades, even the silver queen which was thought to have been relealed today had a page apperently, the fan and the collar that turned out to be hair in the siluete looked alot like that illustration: https://external-preview.redd.it/CAALr_nxJZQvuLCbXNmf2AIwwmXLP-opXd2mG_Ln6yE.jpg?auto=webp&s=9e15153594168d147b3a217c57f3009221dc0d57 so you can see the confusion.

Like you mentioned Tretch, Krell, Ghorst, all also had people angry with their release as they where chosen over other potentual LL's and frankly, Im cool with them myself, though here it's a tad deeper then that for some.

And yes, I hate all the messenger shooting myself.

[Drakomonk%_0-THE-GATOR]

Origineel geplaatst door Zoie Shales:

Origineel geplaatst door Drakomonk%_O-THE-GATOR:

I agree it will seem odd at first that CA will add a OC to Warhammer. That is a change that people may be caught by surpise at first. However, people seem to forget that there isn't really a lot of "cool" LLs for the vampire coast other then footnote characters. I rather that they make a cool OC then a footenote character if you ask me.

Also my other problem is that when people get mad or upset over something that was not what they expected. They tend to attack the employees of CA like Grace_CA by calling them "Evil, greedy, SJW, Disrepectful" and whatever names they can come up with. Apparnatly shooting the messenger is the way to go apparently.

This is true, I'm perfectly fine with them creating OC charactors for a faction that otherwise doesn't have much to work with, just hope that they don't do it with factions that do have plenty to work with.

Tretch, Krell, Ghorst, they all have been in Fantasy battle's lore for decades, even the silver queen which was thought to have been relealed today had a page apperently, the fan and the collar that turned out to be hair in the siluete looked alot like that illustration: https://external-preview.redd.it/CAALr_nxJZQvuLCbXNmf2AIwwmXLP-opXd2mG_Ln6yE.jpg?auto=webp&s=9e15153594168d147b3a217c57f3009221dc0d57 so you can see the confusion.

Like you mentioned Tretch, Krell, Ghorst, all also had people angry with their release as they where chosen over other potentual LL's and frankly, Im cool with them myself.

And yes, I hate all the messenger shooting myself.

The Silver Princeness does share similarities with Cylostra. However, I would argue that Sliver Princeness is way skinnier then Cylostra who has more meat to her bones if you catch my meaning :p Well there is not much bones anyway considering she a ghost now lol

[Zoie Shales]

Origineel geplaatst door Drakomonk%_O-THE-GATOR:

The Silver Princeness does share similarities with Cylostra. However, I would argue that Sliver Princeness is way skinnier then Cylostra who has more meat to her bones if you catch my meaning :p Well there is not much bones anyway considering she a ghost now lol

Haha!

[Matayus22]

If this would be the case that would be awesome. Having in fact even more unique lords. We shall see

[ihKu47]

As much as I I like the possibilities that are now open due the creation of a new character, I agree with the sentiment in the OP. New characters should be used carefully, as in any setting, and only to bring in something fun and unique where existing characters can't do that. Such as is the case with many minor and some of the larger eastern factions in the setting. The important thing is that the world will still feel like Warhammer.

[RED /(Weber)\]

Origineel geplaatst door Chameon:

I'm inbetween. It's dangerous waters, I want to see the story the lady has, and if it smells a bit too off-brand for Warhammer, I'll be vocal, but I want to see how she does first. There's not too awful many chances to do an Ethereal Mage Lord in Warhammer battles, so this was an interesting chance, and I do recall some people noting they wanted an Ethereal Lord for VC ages back. Well, this is Vampire Coast, and now you're getting it.

This part of your comment I agree with the strongest, granted there are others I also agree with but this part I agree with heavily as well.

[Jack Deth]

Well.

Going off what I know of here , it's bad.

It's worse than Fish Girl with the undead shtick shoved in but not worse than Isabella/Ghorst and Tretch who all took spots that much better choices should have had due to those characters adding more to the game then they did.

That said, CA.

You really should get established in characters first before going off into fanmade stuff. I understand why, it allows them to split up selling things in a more appealing manner (from a buisness standpoint).

I mean who would want to buy a DLC that was strictly CA 100% original characters?

Not sure about the whole "women invasion" shtick I've seen. Of course adding a woman just to have another woman is utterly moronic (should another man be added because he's a man? same stupid "logic"), especially when better options again exist in lore.

Plenty of women in WFB that haven't been introduced yet. Plenty even in more obscure lore places for them to pull from.

Maybe I'd be more "upset" but the fact we're finally getting at least some Blood Dragon representation means I'm set. Arnessa doesn't interest me unless they go full on hybrid with her unit roster (not just a single human unit type). The last lord who I guess is what has some people in a tizzy I have no interest in, because that lord has zero fluff/table top gameplay or history with me.

Who is it? Where can I read up more on her? Why should I care about a fanmade character? Better yet...CA, why haven't they implemented a "Create Your OWN Lord" option for campaign?

Noct, I never played Dreadfleet so I might give him a look but not quite as interested as he's another Carstein.

But ya, CA stick to lore as best as possible.

Use characters you have access to first and foremost. If they continue more heavily with their own fan stuff over already established characters, well...definitely won't be buying much more of this series.

Now some bending of lore is fine. Dates don't need to be exact. Altered Beast "Rise From Your Grave" Vlad is...ok. Where I see CA should invest their creativity is in how they translate what was in these books, in these novels and other supplements into this game.

Norsca and at least 70% of Vampire Coast shows they can do it and do it well.