Black Guard of Naggarond seriously OP

[Invisible]

I had fight with dark elves and won, but one BGON was fleeing. 5 units of Spearmen, one Reaver and one treeman unit encirceld the BGON so they could not flee. My troops took 20 minutes of battle time (in super fast mode) to kill this one unit..... 100 armor seems to do the trick against low tier elven units.

Image it the other way around: even the lowliest of DE troops have insane amount of AP damage and would have killed this unit in no time......

Why is CA is pampering DE so much?

[Mr Robert House]

i mean, you’re using bottom tier anti large units to kill top tier armored infantry units, while ignoring the high elves strength which is archers.

[Doomier Guy]

DE have actually been nerfed quite a lot over time. They're nowhere near the MA beasts they used to be.

[elkapp]

Black guard are not op, nor is armor op.
That's more a combination of armor, you using spearmen (which are ♥♥♥♥ at dealing damage at anything but large), and the fact that the unit AI is not really good at killing fleeing units (specifically, it fails when you put a lot of troops against one unit, or when you use cav since cav animations are broken).

[kugelblitz777]

git gud

[Ape-tier Buffoonery]

Black Guard also have a load of Melee Defense as well. Even if they're routing that MD with their 100 armour means individual units take little to no damage from your Tier 1 Spearmen units.

And just because you had 5 Spearmen, I doubt the Reapers (Who aren't much better than Spearmen) and the Treeman unit which I assume is the singular giant right? He's built for tanking, his damage is low compared to other single giant units, and his melee attack isn't very high. Regardless because you had 5 Spearmen surrounding the Black Guard it was hard for the other units to hit them probably.

[Mr Robert House]

oh missed the routing part, running things down in this game is pretty futile, cavalry aren’t even that good at it.

Best thing to do at the end of a battle is tell everything that’s not cav to stop moving, and run down the enemy with cavalry, 1 cav for 1 enemy unit or they block each other. Or just don’t bother, fight them again and wipe them out.

[Diggy G]

Originally posted by Invisible:

I had fight with dark elves and won, but one BGON was fleeing. 5 units of Spearmen, one Reaver and one treeman unit encirceld the BGON so they could not flee. My troops took 20 minutes of battle time (in super fast mode) to kill this one unit..... 100 armor seems to do the trick against low tier elven units.

Image it the other way around: even the lowliest of DE troops have insane amount of AP damage and would have killed this unit in no time......

Why is CA is pampering DE so much?

Yea DE are garbage as a faction thanks to CA these days, so it's probably just that you're not very good.

[Echoside7]

Originally posted by Xi Jinping, 21st Century Hitler:

DE have actually been nerfed quite a lot over time. They're nowhere near the MA beasts they used to be.

This^
Darkshards used to murderize everything and anything.

[Dagy47]

if you want to chase units down as HE then the best (while being quite cheap aswell) unit for it are probly war lions, they are like wardogs but come in smaller numbers and have AP (which will definitly help you get those black guards down)

[Doomier Guy]

Originally posted by echoside7:

Originally posted by Xi Jinping, 21st Century Hitler:

DE have actually been nerfed quite a lot over time. They're nowhere near the MA beasts they used to be.

This^
Darkshards used to murderize everything and anything.

They still do. They're like one of the few good, cost efficient units the DE have left. That along with witch elves and shades. Almost everything else is overpriced and/or nerfed garbage.

[Invisible]

Originally posted by Microwave Master:

Originally posted by Invisible:

I s, so it's probably just that you're not very good.

Yeah sure! These kind of replies are very helpful and a reason to stop using this forum.

[Cat]

I wouldn't call them OP. They're good at holding a line... But it's an expensive unit that doesn't do much damage. Other factions have fodder that can do that just fine too.

[Dreagon]

Why didn't you just shoot them? That seems to do the trick just fine. Those units you used are terrible against the black guards. Spearmen aren't great at killing infantry and become even more garbage once they have lost 50% hp and black guards are basically hard counters to treemen. And treemen I believe are also pretty garbage at killing things.

[Aleera]

Originally posted by Mr Robert House:

oh missed the routing part, running things down in this game is pretty futile, cavalry aren’t even that good at it.

Best thing to do at the end of a battle is tell everything that’s not cav to stop moving, and run down the enemy with cavalry, 1 cav for 1 enemy unit or they block each other. Or just don’t bother, fight them again and wipe them out.

That's why you use warhounds for killing routing enemies. They kill of even huge monsters in seconds once it routs. Or faster infantry, like deathrunners.

[MrSoul]

Take some Black Guard up against some chosen, come back tell me their still OP ;)