Chaos Invasion-Skaven

[Dillinius Sandar]

I have noticed that when the Chaos Invasion event happens, the Chaos faction declares war on every faction except for Norsca. I remember the times when Chaos wouldn't automatically declare war on the vamps until the full Chaos event starts so I know that this event has changed overtime but I have also noticed they now declare war on every skaven faction.

Now my first question is, is this standard as in does it happen every time? If it is, then i'd have to question the choice for Chaos to do that. There's easy examples in the lore to show that chaos not only didn't seek out skaven to attack during the end times, but helped each other out in certain ways. The Horned one is also a Chaos god of sorts. Surely if Norsca gets rightfully spared Chaos's war declaration, skaven should too. Does anyone agree, or even notice this happening in their campaign? Please correct me if i'm missing something from the lore.

[Wh♂♂par]

Skaven and Chaos are neither direct allies nor direct enemies. The End Times fun was more so an opportunity alliance. Generally, the Skaven would prefer to not be thrown off the planet.

If it happened to you, it will happen again. This should not be based on chance.

I do think, a dilemma would be a nice addition for your Skaven faction, and maybe based on chance for each AI Skaven. You ally with Chaos, but declare war on every enemy of theirs, even your allies, or you don't and get some bonus for defeating them. Just like playing Norsca.

[Dillinius Sandar]

yeah, although their attempt to bring the moon crashing into the earth kinda makes it seem like they dont care to much about being on the planet. As you have said, since they were not outright allies, I think atleast they shouldnt by default be at war but rather neutral towards eachother. I like your idea aswell. Hopefully they add something like this.

[Toby Larone]

Originally posted by Dillinius Sandarius:

yeah, although their attempt to bring the moon crashing into the earth kinda makes it seem like they dont care to much about being on the planet. As you have said, since they were not outright allies, I think atleast they shouldnt by default be at war but rather neutral towards eachother. I like your idea aswell. Hopefully they add something like this.

The moon crashing thing was a classic skaven stupidity accident. They had been slowly drawing it closer to the world. Which is when one of the skaven decided to one up themselves and blew it up. Due to being so close however it turned from what was meant to be a light rain of warpstone into a planetending event.

In general I think skaven and chaos should remain hostile, they aren't vassals like norsca but allies of convinience and in this case it isn't convinient for chaos.

[Dillinius Sandar]

which is why they should be neutral. what your saying would make them NEVER be allies, so they never could be "allies of convenience". If they remain neutral, the ai can decide when they make war or remain neutral or ally. Lore wise this makes perfect sense, and balance wise wouldn't hurt a thing.

I actually think this would be a benefit to balance as the chaos invasion is garbage as it is, with skaven helping or just occupying ruins left behind by chaos, the end game event would be that much more of a challenge. Just did a playthrough with chaos invasion on Legendary, the end times happened, clan moulder was wiped out by chaos, kislev died, Naggarond instantly died, the power bar of chaos was 100% red with like 30 stacks. The high elves and the empire still managed to end the invasion about 30 turns into it losing only the lands of kislev to ruins. Chaos need a BIG rework to be a real threat and skaven just might be a good band aid.