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Dark Elf Society?
Ive seen several facts about dark elves? To the people who know lore please give me some info here.
No manual labor? only slaves
Apparently enslaved demons for sexual purposes?
How does DE reproduction work..?
Do they have contraceptives?
I feel like with so much... "Fun". The population would explode?
Originally posted by Super Cosmic Space Magnet:
Hi! Going to stick to the questions in order here as best I can.

Manual Labour: I can't find anything that explicitly states "No Druchi do manual labour", but given that so much of the material so constantly reiterates the use of slaves I would be surprised. There is mention of the concept of "citizenry" though (source; dark elf army book under Hag Graef), and frequent mention of traders. My understanding is that while there are 'worker' jobs among the Dark Elves, the most arduous tasks would be exclusively performed by slaves or used as humiliating punishments. You're either a sorceress, a trader, a warrior, a member of the Cult of Khaine, some flavour of Priest, a craftsman, or you're dead.


Enslaved Daemons for sexual purposes: Overwhelmingly no, but edge cases will exist due to the anarchic nature of Dark Elf society. Hekarti is the goddess of conjurations and Dark Magic, but she has a rival twin sister called Athari - the goddess of pleasure. To quote: "Unlike many of her kind, Hekarti pays close attention to the desires of the Elves. She is ever locked in jealous contest with her twin sister Athari, the Goddess of Pleasure, and resents her sway over mortals. It was supposedly this rivalry that first enticed Hekarti to grant wisdom to Morathi. That said, the Hag Sorceress has always kept her devotions to the two sisters in careful balance - Naggarothi legends have many grim examples of what happens to those who favour one above the other."

During the Night of Pleasure and Pain (VH, 152 - so about 700 years before the events of Total Warhammer 2) a Slaaneshi Daemon incursion is drawn to Naggarond due to the indulgences to Athari. Again to quote the army book: "However, as the minutes passed, the Witch King became aware that something was amiss. The screams were now somehow more desperate, the laughter darker and even more tormented. Walking to his chambers' iron balcony, the Witch King looked down into the tangle of dark streets and saw what he had suspected - the anarchy was no longer that of revelry, but of battle."

Generally, the Dark Elves despise all things Slaanesh and since they already have their own Elven god of pleasure, I suspect most would utterly abhor daemons.

Dark Elf reproduction: Same as humans, they're just mammals. Warhammer never produced that weird book D&D did where it discusses all things sex in their fiction. Specific details about fertility rates/duration of pregnancies etc aren't covered. While covered by floral language, the story of Alith Anar's daring theft of Morathi's talisman does describe him seeing Druchi having sex on every furnishing they can find. I think at one point he surprises a couple mid-coitus during his escape and before they can reach for their weapons he sticks them with a stolen repeater crossbow.

Do they have contraceptives?: Almost certainly. Again, never read it mentioned - but the setting has magic frogs that fry buildings with magic space lasers and drugs that can liquidize your insides in seconds or turn your flesh to stone. A contraceptive is so mundane that its existence can be assumed. You really think the Witch Elves wouldn't be SUPER interested in something like that..?

Population explosion: Nah. Dark Elves have an extremely survivalist mentality, I don't imagine many unwanted pregnancies happen - and even when they do happen males with magical inclinations are slaughtered due to Malekith's prophecy. The grim reality is that I suspect many births are the product of concubines, and the kids are pretty much left to fend for themselves - with the exception of noble births intended to continue the family legacy. That and since the culture largely revolves around trying to murder eachother at every opportunity, I can't really see large populations ever developing. The moment there's even a hint of competition or resource shortage (something Malekith actively sets agents to ensure, in order to prevent any of his subordinates getting ideas about challenging him), they'll either be killing each other or leaving to become corsairs.
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RedDevil99 Oct 6, 2021 @ 11:35am 
Originally posted by Zoey ♥:
Ive seen several facts about dark elves? To the people who know lore please give me some info here.
No manual labor? only slaves
Apparently enslaved demons for sexual purposes?
How does DE reproduction work..?
Do they have contraceptives?
I feel like with so much... "Fun". The population would explode?
That's what Blood Night and the whole back-stabby, kill your own brother to get ahead, is in place for. As a general rule there are always enough or not enough Elves/Dwarfs/LZM according to the GW author's need so the society is by no means realistic enough nor thought out enough to fully explain the nuances of their population.
Jack Thompson, A. at L. (Banned) Oct 6, 2021 @ 11:44am 
Birthrates are fine, and the West will outlive the pod people in it who are trying to make it not so.

Germany alone has gone through so much death, from the plagues, to the 30 year war, to the world wars and many other things, and the curve still goes up. Four times as many as back then.

There's about 60mil ethnic Germans in Germany, meaning there's 30mil of average IQ or better.
That's six times as many as there are [redacted] in the entire world, and that's just one nation.

And since all that degenerate ♥♥♥♥ is just media smoke and mirrors, the future is extra bright.
It's gonna be fine.

As for Druchii... as RedDevil99 put it, they also like to penetrate one anothers back.
chima Oct 6, 2021 @ 11:50am 
least racist steam forums users
Hieronymous Oct 6, 2021 @ 11:53am 
Hopefully there is a way to regenerate the west without falling prey to the worst excesses of the political and cultural right.

Germany serves as a pretty obvious warning.
Originally posted by chima:
least racist steam forums users
Asked a question about a race with sex slaves and a portion of their population named "Cult of Pleasure" but somehow im now a degenerate, too sexual, and violent.
I wonder what happens if i ask about Slaanesh lore.
DerRitter Oct 6, 2021 @ 11:55am 
Originally posted by Inquisitor14:
The Dark Elves are actually less degenerate than pozzed globohomo is today. They like their sex and violence, but they still value beauty and martial prowess. You won't find a MacDonald's in Naggarond.
facts
Hieronymous Oct 6, 2021 @ 11:59am 
Use of the phrase "pozzed globohomo," whatever that may mean, does not engender confidence in a thoughtful, non-fascist cultural Renaissance.
Mortarch Of Blood Oct 6, 2021 @ 12:27pm 
Originally posted by Zoey ♥:
Originally posted by chima:
least racist steam forums users
Asked a question about a race with sex slaves and a portion of their population named "Cult of Pleasure" but somehow im now a degenerate, too sexual, and violent.
I wonder what happens if i ask about Slaanesh lore.

Everyone starts jerking off in a circle, everyone's right hand to the person on the right whilst their left hand covers their eyes....
Mortarch Of Blood Oct 6, 2021 @ 12:34pm 
Originally posted by Zoey ♥:
Originally posted by chima:
least racist steam forums users
Asked a question about a race with sex slaves and a portion of their population named "Cult of Pleasure" but somehow im now a degenerate, too sexual, and violent.
I wonder what happens if i ask about Slaanesh lore.

On a more serious note, I have no fecking idea what happened to the conversation either.
The first serious comment answers best though, the Druchii murder each other quite a bit and the witch elves go out each blood night and kill anyone they see.
DasaKamov Oct 6, 2021 @ 12:44pm 
Originally posted by Inquisitor14:
pozzed globohomo is today
Way to IMMEDIATELY hijack this lore-based question into a wacky, alt-right, real-world conspiracy theory.
Taralic Oct 6, 2021 @ 1:03pm 
For a normal answer Dark elf are so much about Killing and go on raiding and stuff that there birthrate most be similar to there death/murder level.

In the lore (at least of my 8e book) don't make them équale to slanessh about the sex ficus. It only the pleasur godess (dont remimber her name) is in the center of there belief more.
Originally posted by DasaKamov:
Originally posted by Inquisitor14:
pozzed globohomo is today
Way to IMMEDIATELY hijack this lore-based question into a wacky, alt-right, real-world conspiracy theory.

I know right! xD
cb4n28 Oct 6, 2021 @ 2:13pm 
Originally posted by Zoey ♥:
Ive seen several facts about dark elves? To the people who know lore please give me some info here.
No manual labor? only slaves
Apparently enslaved demons for sexual purposes?
How does DE reproduction work..?
Do they have contraceptives?
I feel like with so much... "Fun". The population would explode?

I'm not going to engage with the nuttery below. Just wanted to point out that population growth depends on more than birthrate. Malekith ensures there is a scarcity of resources, already not easy to comeby in the frozen lands of Naggarond, for much of the population in order to engender fierce competition for his favor.
The author of this thread has indicated that this post answers the original topic.
Hi! Going to stick to the questions in order here as best I can.

Manual Labour: I can't find anything that explicitly states "No Druchi do manual labour", but given that so much of the material so constantly reiterates the use of slaves I would be surprised. There is mention of the concept of "citizenry" though (source; dark elf army book under Hag Graef), and frequent mention of traders. My understanding is that while there are 'worker' jobs among the Dark Elves, the most arduous tasks would be exclusively performed by slaves or used as humiliating punishments. You're either a sorceress, a trader, a warrior, a member of the Cult of Khaine, some flavour of Priest, a craftsman, or you're dead.


Enslaved Daemons for sexual purposes: Overwhelmingly no, but edge cases will exist due to the anarchic nature of Dark Elf society. Hekarti is the goddess of conjurations and Dark Magic, but she has a rival twin sister called Athari - the goddess of pleasure. To quote: "Unlike many of her kind, Hekarti pays close attention to the desires of the Elves. She is ever locked in jealous contest with her twin sister Athari, the Goddess of Pleasure, and resents her sway over mortals. It was supposedly this rivalry that first enticed Hekarti to grant wisdom to Morathi. That said, the Hag Sorceress has always kept her devotions to the two sisters in careful balance - Naggarothi legends have many grim examples of what happens to those who favour one above the other."

During the Night of Pleasure and Pain (VH, 152 - so about 700 years before the events of Total Warhammer 2) a Slaaneshi Daemon incursion is drawn to Naggarond due to the indulgences to Athari. Again to quote the army book: "However, as the minutes passed, the Witch King became aware that something was amiss. The screams were now somehow more desperate, the laughter darker and even more tormented. Walking to his chambers' iron balcony, the Witch King looked down into the tangle of dark streets and saw what he had suspected - the anarchy was no longer that of revelry, but of battle."

Generally, the Dark Elves despise all things Slaanesh and since they already have their own Elven god of pleasure, I suspect most would utterly abhor daemons.

Dark Elf reproduction: Same as humans, they're just mammals. Warhammer never produced that weird book D&D did where it discusses all things sex in their fiction. Specific details about fertility rates/duration of pregnancies etc aren't covered. While covered by floral language, the story of Alith Anar's daring theft of Morathi's talisman does describe him seeing Druchi having sex on every furnishing they can find. I think at one point he surprises a couple mid-coitus during his escape and before they can reach for their weapons he sticks them with a stolen repeater crossbow.

Do they have contraceptives?: Almost certainly. Again, never read it mentioned - but the setting has magic frogs that fry buildings with magic space lasers and drugs that can liquidize your insides in seconds or turn your flesh to stone. A contraceptive is so mundane that its existence can be assumed. You really think the Witch Elves wouldn't be SUPER interested in something like that..?

Population explosion: Nah. Dark Elves have an extremely survivalist mentality, I don't imagine many unwanted pregnancies happen - and even when they do happen males with magical inclinations are slaughtered due to Malekith's prophecy. The grim reality is that I suspect many births are the product of concubines, and the kids are pretty much left to fend for themselves - with the exception of noble births intended to continue the family legacy. That and since the culture largely revolves around trying to murder eachother at every opportunity, I can't really see large populations ever developing. The moment there's even a hint of competition or resource shortage (something Malekith actively sets agents to ensure, in order to prevent any of his subordinates getting ideas about challenging him), they'll either be killing each other or leaving to become corsairs.
Last edited by Super Cosmic Space Magnet; Oct 6, 2021 @ 3:03pm
BUT WHAT ABOUT CHINA MARY SUE MAAAARY SUUUUUUES AHHHHH

Think the thing to remember about Warhammer is that GW's approach to it is that you don't think too hard about it (something the suffering authors tend to say quite a lot if you ever actually listen to them), particularly when it comes to Beastmen and Fimir.

For economy it's apparently all raiding, slaves and trade ruled over by Malekith, then 100 Dreadlords and then your average joe elf citizens who primarily work as soldiers. I kind of imagine they have a big administration industry going but that's just me. Worth noting that they are always outnumbered by the High Elves.

Sigmar knows what the actual deal with Dark Elves and Daemons is. Morathi has "dealings" with them and the Cult of Pleasure is kind of a mystery. Like there's this one extract from Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd ED:

"Even the Warlords, who rose from their council to face the intruders, were halted by the cries of their own Sorcerers who knew Morathi had the favour of the Pleasure Prince, Slaanesh, whom they knew as Shaarnor. Morathi, after a spectacular orgiastic ritual, summoned sixty troupes of six Daemonettes and sent them to wipe out the Hung’s
rivals: the Kurgan."

So that implies they summoned Daemons by having sex who went off to kill poor/lucky Norscans, rather than actual sex with daemons. Obviously we're all hoping to get the Hung Norscans in Total War.

With regards to where they fall on the submissive and breedable scale they follow basic fantasy lore. Elves live long and don't have many kids because...it was OP and they had to nerf it for the competitive community? I dunno Tolkien died before anyone could ask him about it on twitter so we're stuck with it.

Dark Elves, with all their sexy Chaos influence and magic could presumably get up to all sorts, but they'll never put it in writing because that's how you end up with an R rating in your expensive codexes. If you want to headcanon a "Lore of abortions" then you know, all power to you. Game of Thrones has a herbal mixture that was literally a morning after pill though, so you could apply that to Warhammer. I think it's more that they just don't pregnant that easily. Or butt stuff. :)

This doesn't really answer anything about sex in particular, but I found this great post by Gav Thorpe (one of GW's authors) about dark elves: https://gavthorpe.co.uk/dark-elves-qa-on-the-background/comment-page-1/

TLDR: Head canon best canon
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