Sister of Twilight how do I get their Dragon Ride?

[Holy]

Topic, And ARENT they OP as F?

[A.Pot]

You got to do a quest battle

[Ardariel]

You need to finish questline. In the end of it there would be quest battle vs beastmen and there you would gain dragon. Although i would not recommend to use it.

On second question - yes and no. In fight sisters themsleves and WE in general are strong and, imo, stronger than any other race in campaigh. But. THey cant expand and defend territory as effective as other races, so this keps em in balance. Ofc players can surpass it (although it is not as easy on lege due to supply line. You cant be everywhere with so little armies), yet it adds up to a challange. As single fighter i would say that sitsters are top fighter atm.

[stehorz]

Yes they are completely op because of those hawk riders

[manx2007]

last time when i played, they had on that dragon 50% phisical rezistance, 15% ward protection and 25% missile rezistance. in total they have 90% rsistance if you target that dragon with arrows and 65% damage reduction in melee combat. i used 5 units of shades to shoot at those sisters and when i finish the fight, they lived with some health. compared with the new addition rakarth, op is a kind word for them. i dont like this, of course. they are not on foot, they have a lot of mobility, and a lot of resitance to everything. is not about easy tunning, is an exageration.

[wpegg]

Originally posted by manx2007:

last time when i played, they had on that dragon 50% phisical rezistance, 15% ward protection and 25% missile rezistance. in total they have 90% rsistance if you target that dragon with arrows and 65% damage reduction in melee combat.

I don't think it adds up like that, I believe the formula for resistance is multiplicative, so it would be 50% + 15% of the remaining 50% (i.e. 7.5%) and then 25% of the remaining 42.5% (i.e. 10.5%) giving a resistance of 68% rather than 90%.

They're still stupidly resistant, In a fight it ended up being 8 darkshards against some very high level sisters and they absolutely trashed them. AP doesn't mean much when they're stacking up the res like that.

[Captainbeastfeast (Rat-ee-JiK)]

Originally posted by stehorz:

Yes they are completely op because of those hawk riders

THe hawk riders are strong in my experience, but not as great as i had hoped. THey can actually lose in missile engagements vs powerful missile armies. In some cases I found waywatchers and starfire shafts actually do better damage.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by cow99:

Originally posted by stehorz:

Yes they are completely op because of those hawk riders

THe hawk riders are strong in my experience, but not as great as i had hoped. THey can actually lose in missile engagements vs powerful missile armies. In some cases I found waywatchers and starfire shafts actually do better damage.

Why would you fight like that? Just wipe army by ability. And then clear rest with sisters themselves.

[Aleera]

Originally posted by cow99:

Originally posted by stehorz:

Yes they are completely op because of those hawk riders

THe hawk riders are strong in my experience, but not as great as i had hoped. THey can actually lose in missile engagements vs powerful missile armies. In some cases I found waywatchers and starfire shafts actually do better damage.

Hawkriders as a unit are horribly overpriced and weak. The thing that makes them so strong with the sisters, is their ability. Which does crazy damage to groups of infantry. A single cast of 1 hawkrider, can kill 4 stacks of infantry from 100% to 10% in 1 cast if you get lucky, when they're clumped.

But normal combat wise, they're the weakest unit in Welf roster, better at being used as weak flying shock cav, then as missile units.

Edit: Sisters just themselves are not overpowerd. Not even close, what they can do a vast majority of other lords can. It's just the combination of a rather strong campaign lord, with a extreemly strong campaign ability given to rank and file units AND a legendary hero that's strong. Combined with this, they're a strong faction in the player hands.
Drycha to me feels stronger still.

[Barser]

I prefer them on the eagle and use the dragon as an expendable summon.

[manx2007]

Originally posted by wpegg:

Originally posted by manx2007:

last time when i played, they had on that dragon 50% phisical rezistance, 15% ward protection and 25% missile rezistance. in total they have 90% rsistance if you target that dragon with arrows and 65% damage reduction in melee combat.

I don't think it adds up like that, I believe the formula for resistance is multiplicative, so it would be 50% + 15% of the remaining 50% (i.e. 7.5%) and then 25% of the remaining 42.5% (i.e. 10.5%) giving a resistance of 68% rather than 90%.

They're still stupidly resistant, In a fight it ended up being 8 darkshards against some very high level sisters and they absolutely trashed them. AP doesn't mean much when they're stacking up the res like that.

you know this for sure or is just your assumption?

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/173685/ward-saves-in-tw-w-do-they-stack#latest

[wpegg]

Originally posted by manx2007:

Originally posted by wpegg:

I don't think it adds up like that, I believe the formula for resistance is multiplicative, so it would be 50% + 15% of the remaining 50% (i.e. 7.5%) and then 25% of the remaining 42.5% (i.e. 10.5%) giving a resistance of 68% rather than 90%.

They're still stupidly resistant, In a fight it ended up being 8 darkshards against some very high level sisters and they absolutely trashed them. AP doesn't mean much when they're stacking up the res like that.

you know this for sure or is just your assumption?

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/173685/ward-saves-in-tw-w-do-they-stack#latest

It's not as vague as an assumption, it's based on a lot of reading up on it however I don't have any definitive proof to point you to. The post you refer to is indicating that Ward Save stacks with Ward Save, which is true. I'm saying that Ward save doesn't directly stack with physical res and missile res. This is why I tend to try to load my heroes up with as much of one type of res (physical or ward save) rather than with a mixture.

That said, Legend posted a similar point to yours the other day claiming that an arcane pheonix stack had 89% res based on the summation of the physical and ward save, so I'm not certain.

EDIT: Further reading indicates I'm wrong.

[zefyris]

Passed a certain point in the campaign, the lords in WE armies don't really need to do anything anyway. WE don't have a lot of armies but the buffs provided to the units are absurd. To do the last battle on vortex, my wardancers and bladesinger were at 85% physical resistance. These same t2 wardancer also happeen to have 73 (96 vs large) MA and 77 MD at rank 9, and 52 speed. And armour piercing. Yes in the other armies they were not that high but that were still above 50% physical resistance at all time and around 60 MA/MD as well.

One of the 5 t2 wardancer I had in the army for the final battle tanked by itself a combined charge of Goritch, a Hellpit Abomination and a mutated rat ogre (sent some help to kill them but they tied them down from start to finish), then tanked some missile and other stuff, and they were still above 70% hp by the end of the full battle.
Literally unfazed. Treemen ? Dragons? Hawks? missile units? hah. Who needs that when your wardancers are unkillable and armour piercing anyway?

[manx2007]

Originally posted by wpegg:

Originally posted by manx2007:

you know this for sure or is just your assumption?

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/173685/ward-saves-in-tw-w-do-they-stack#latest

It's not as vague as an assumption, it's based on a lot of reading up on it however I don't have any definitive proof to point you to. The post you refer to is indicating that Ward Save stacks with Ward Save, which is true. I'm saying that Ward save doesn't directly stack with physical res and missile res. This is why I tend to try to load my heroes up with as much of one type of res (physical or ward save) rather than with a mixture.

That said, Legend posted a similar point to yours the other day claiming that an arcane pheonix stack had 89% res based on the summation of the physical and ward save, so I'm not certain.

EDIT: Further reading indicates I'm wrong.

read the thread before you post an answer. i advise everyone to read it to see the true. there are answers from ca officials, in case you are interested by this subject.

wood elves are right now very op and ai make a lot of micromanagement in combat.WE is not a faction oriented to range combat, is a faction good at everything. nice is that WE sisters go to attack DE right when chaos invasion begin and they become a very expansionist faction.

[Empukris]

Yes sisters are op and so easy to use too, they can kill hundreds of unit by just randomly flying on top of enemy units. Not that they are strong duelist but they have very high cost effectiveness.

But the recent patch make the WE other than sister of twilight to be less aggressive. There are times WE slaughter all of the Brettonia and TK in the past. CA make them to be more defensive now.

[Mr Robert House]

Originally posted by Barser:

I prefer them on the eagle and use the dragon as an expendable summon.

This, the dragon is useless as a mount since they should be moving and shooting.