total war is getting worse...

[johntitor88]

every total war is worse. Every battle feels more unreal Rome 2 Total War felt real. royal blood, clashing weapons, screams, pain, animations, better graphics !!!
I dont know if there could be a middle ground but as it is, warhammer combat has nothing to offer to me aesthatically. It feels like the movement and the dynamo of the action is weightless, fake. I mean its obviously fake but in warhammer its screaming fake. Watching combat in Rome 2 literally shocked me seeing how grounded it was compared to wh2.
For warhammer 3 i hope we will see better optimization, bigger battle maps and the return of the sync combat animations. In warhammer 2 there is no point in zooming in and watching the combat since all the units do is swirl their weapons randomly against the air as opposed to older titles' meaty combat animations.

If I wanted more arcadey combat but more competitive design, I probably wouldnt think of total war but instead games like starcraft, aoe2 etc. Imo total wars sync combat also emphasized its realistic approach since a unit wouldnt automatically stop combat and disengage upon commanders orders.
If they dont improve combat, I think they should simplify the looks of the models, animations and increase the quantitiy of troops we can field by like 10 times or something. Cuz right now, the combat is so arcady that I would bet no one even bothered to zoom in to their fights after their first 10 hours or so (which was to admire the models, not the combat) so they might as well abandon it completely and go full ultimate epic battle simulator route where the main premise of the battles is the size instead of micro detail.

One of the major premises of total war genre was its ability to create these major battle scenes where we can lay back and watch our troops that we recruited with care and strategy. Total wars defining qualities are, in my opinion, its ability to convey these battle scenes at a level no one else can and uniting this grand combat with overworld strategy genre.


I sincerely still admire the combat of Rome 2. I am left with my mouth open for long minutes admiring the beauty of the battles of Rome 2. Warhammer has lowered the level to a worrying level .. his battles are not battles .. they are dances

[Hieronymous]

Agree fully on synced combat. A long time ago I would stop and admire the melee combat. Now I rarely do.

[eldiabs]

Rome 2 forum is that way -> https://steamcommunity.com/app/214950/discussions/

[Krixus31]

Appreciate your opinion but not shared by the majority :) TW2 is awesome hence a sequel is being released. 28K players today on steam...only 7k on Rome 2

[johntitor88]

I respect that you like warhammer more but honestly do you like battles more in warhammer total war? I dont believe it

[Krixus31]

I'm more of a fantasy LOTR man that's why I prefer it. I think the graphics and colours are in also better TW 2.

[DerRitter]

Well, we will have to wait and see how the next historical turns out before we abandon hope.

[♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥]

each has their flavors! The important thing is that Historicals and Fantasy needs to keep their uniqueness.

[[:V] Dani :3]

Please no. Matched combat was introduced with the warscape engine and it's awful. Units combat animating into each other broke up unit cohesion and led to melee infantry fights turning into absurd blobs even when there were only two units involved.

[♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥]

Originally posted by Caecilius:

Please no. Matched combat was introduced with the warscape engine and it's awful. Units combat animating into each other broke up unit cohesion and led to melee infantry fights turning into absurd blobs even when there were only two units involved.

Yeah that's true tho!

[thorha]

I absolutely love a guy that has enough time and energy to make it into a dedicated game board to tell people in a lengthy rant why he hates the game they are playing and discussing.

I am sure this behaviour is necessary for any group or society. It just elapses my memory why.

Regards,
Thorsten

[johntitor88]

none of you know what animations are. play rome 2 or shogun 2. total warhammer total war does not have combat animations. it only has swords and blows to the air. you like that

[The Warmongering Khan]

Originally posted by johntitor88:

none of you know what animations are. play rome 2 or shogun 2. total warhammer total war does not have combat animations. it only has swords and blows to the air. you like that

Animations mean jack_shit. Gameplay is what matters.

[♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥]

Originally posted by johntitor88:

none of you know what animations are. play rome 2 or shogun 2. total warhammer total war does not have combat animations. it only has swords and blows to the air. you like that

I've played those games hundreds of hours, don't assume I know ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about animations and try not to undermine people opinions. You could learn something.

[Fryskar]

I'll guess that alone for economical reasons it won't come back.
Way too much work to make matching combat animations for a few hundred different models.

[Raider Deci]

Originally posted by Fryskar:

I'll guess that alone for economical reasons it won't come back.
Way too much work to make matching combat animations for a few hundred different models.

I just feel that the ambition with details has gone down with every game, now not even the gun-units have animations. Like you said its not economical, and I would not be suprised if they will still use the same engine for the next major release after WH3 (because it wont make economical sense to make a new one)