What is the rationale behind the fact that Loremasters became a hero instead of being a lord?

[Багряный]

The 8th edition Loremasters is the Lord of the High Elves. But in the game he was made a hero. At the same time, the High Elves have the fewest options for the types of lords. In DLC Alarielle, the High Elves did not receive their new lord. How is this justified?

They could make several new types of lords, based on the fact that the lord in the 8th edition has many options for assemblies and skills.

The main variant of the 8th edition lord that the High Elves have not yet received is The Anointed of Asuryan.

In addition, there are 3 types of heroes. These are The Dragon Mages, Lothern Sea Helms and the Mist Mage.

Also for Alith Anar there is a special hero, Right Hand of the King of Shadows, which can be used in custom battles, but for some reason cannot be used in the campaign.

So what type of lord is possible for High Elves other than The Anointed of Asuryan? And what was the point of removing the Loremasters?

Personally, I think that a good option for a lord might be the Prince of Shadows. He will be a pure archer, which will be his uniqueness.

Princes of Shadows are the early editions of Lord Nagarythe. And which you can do yourself in the 8th edition.

A potential lord could also be the Herald of the Phoenix King, with a lion's chariot. This version of the lord was in the early editions.

In theory, the lord's place was left for the Lothern Sea Helms, despite the fact that he is a hero in the 8th edition. But with the example of Loremasters, they can swap the rules.

What other types of lords could potentially be for High Elves?

[Aleera]

For Helves what types of lords?
NONE.

Let's get a second type of lord for Norsca, a third for Dwarves, not to mention all the other races that are lacking. Beastmen with their new DLC will still only have 2 types.

Helves still have 1 more hero type then the Lizardmen.

Not to mention a hero as well as a lord for EVERY wind of magic.

Helves need nothing more.

Loremasters of Hoeth are basicly sergeants you imbed into a swordmaster unit, they have never been a general type.

[Sloul Des Tucs]

I wouldn't mind a Loremaster version of Lord for HE if it's truer to lore and tt.
I wouldn't put them on priority though, cf. Aleera's post.

[Багряный]

Originally posted by Aleera:

For Helves what types of lords?
NONE.

Let's get a second type of lord for Norsca, a third for Dwarves, not to mention all the other races that are lacking. Beastmen with their new DLC will still only have 2 types.

Helves still have 1 more hero type then the Lizardmen.

Not to mention a hero as well as a lord for EVERY wind of magic.

Helves need nothing more.

Loremasters of Hoeth are basicly sergeants you imbed into a swordmaster unit, they have never been a general type.

Check out 8th edition.

Lords
- Prince
- Archmage
- Loremasters of Hoeth
- Anointed of Asuryan

Hero
- Dragon Mages
- Mages
- Nobles
- Lothern Sea Helms
- Handmaidens of the Everqueen

This is the official roster of GW

And the fact that the Beastmen have 3 Lords, and not 4 or 5, these are questions for GW.

The fact is that the composition of the High Elves has not been implemented and for some reason does not correspond to the canon from GW.

[Aleera]

I stand by my point. Helves need nothing more.
Loremasters and Anointed, handmaidens, Seahelms etc are all sergeants for a unit.
Which in TWW useally makes them a generic hero.

Guess what Loremasters are? A generic hero.
Guess what Handmaidens are? A generic hero.

More unit's, heroes, lords for all factions are welcome.

But Helves do not need it. Norsca needs it, Beastmen still need it, Dwarves need a new lord type.
Helves have every lore of magic as a Lord AND a hero type. This alone gives them way more lord choice then any other faction.

I welcome all additions, but lets give the factions that are lacking their due first shall we?
Norsca literally has ONE lord type.

[Багряный]

Originally posted by Aleera:

I stand by my point. Helves need nothing more.
Loremasters and Anointed, handmaidens, Seahelms etc are all sergeants for a unit.
Which in TWW useally makes them a generic hero.

Guess what Loremasters are? A generic hero.
Guess what Handmaidens are? A generic hero.

More unit's, heroes, lords for all factions are welcome.

But Helves do not need it. Norsca needs it, Beastmen still need it, Dwarves need a new lord type.
Helves have every lore of magic as a Lord AND a hero type. This alone gives them way more lord choice then any other faction.

I welcome all additions, but lets give the factions that are lacking their due first shall we?
Norsca literally has ONE lord type.

And what about the other factions? The High Elves had a Queen and the Crone DLC that did not include the 8th edition lord. At the same time, the High Elves have the fewest lords, fewer than the Skaven, Dark Elves and Lizardmen. 4 main factions of the game 2. And this is not justified by anything. Personally, your hatred of the High Elves, this is specifically your problem, which has nothing to do with the question posed in this topic. There is an official register of units from GW and CA for some reason it was violated by changing Loremasters from lord to hero. And that's the problem.

[KharnTheKhan]

Please someone ban this guy, He has such a hard on for High Elves, When high elves have everything already

[Багряный]

Originally posted by Ryoga:

Please someone ban this guy, He has such a hard on for High Elves, When high elves have everything already

The High Elves lineup is still unfinished from the 8th edition.

- Anointed of Asuryan
- Dragon Mages
- Lothern Sea Helms
- Griffons
- Lothern Skycutter
- Caradryan
- Korhil

And this is only the 8th edition. There is also the composition of the Chaos Storm, early editions and end times.

And I asked a fair question why there is no lord for the High Elves in Queen and the Crone DLC and for what reason Loremasters became a hero, instead of being the lord of the 8th edition.

[Kaaz]

Dragon Mages are all but in game. Fire Mage with a dragon (which is what they would be) is available in both hero and lord form.

[Aleera]

Originally posted by Багряный:

Originally posted by Aleera:

I stand by my point. Helves need nothing more.
Loremasters and Anointed, handmaidens, Seahelms etc are all sergeants for a unit.
Which in TWW useally makes them a generic hero.

Guess what Loremasters are? A generic hero.
Guess what Handmaidens are? A generic hero.

More unit's, heroes, lords for all factions are welcome.

But Helves do not need it. Norsca needs it, Beastmen still need it, Dwarves need a new lord type.
Helves have every lore of magic as a Lord AND a hero type. This alone gives them way more lord choice then any other faction.

I welcome all additions, but lets give the factions that are lacking their due first shall we?
Norsca literally has ONE lord type.

And what about the other factions? The High Elves had a Queen and the Crone DLC that did not include the 8th edition lord. At the same time, the High Elves have the fewest lords, fewer than the Skaven, Dark Elves and Lizardmen. 4 main factions of the game 2. And this is not justified by anything. Personally, your hatred of the High Elves, this is specifically your problem, which has nothing to do with the question posed in this topic. There is an official register of units from GW and CA for some reason it was violated by changing Loremasters from lord to hero. And that's the problem.

I do NOT hate the Highelves, far from it. I'm indifferent to them, their aesthetics are boring to me. I do like their unit composition.
The only hatred I've shown, is about your utter zealotry and crusading in favor of your Highelves.

Norsca needs more love then Helves do, by far. Chaos undivided needs attention. Border princes need to be a seperate faction, not a Empire clone.

There are so many things that are lacking compared to what Highelves already have.

My favorite race by far is Lizardmen and go check my post history, I'm absolutely against Nakai being a LL, I'm against Tiqtak-to as a lord, I like the unit, I dislike the notion of a Kroxigor Ancient being a lord, I'd rather have it as a hero unit. Kroxigors should not be leading a army, they're as dumb as a rock, only the first generation had any semblance of intelligence.

I do not hate Elves, any addition to them is welcome, but NOT at the expense of other factions that are sorely lacking.
Which guess what? The latest DLC does, it gives 2 old world factions a much needed boost and quality of life changes.

[Багряный]

Originally posted by Kaaz:

Dragon Mages are all but in game. Fire Mage with a dragon (which is what they would be) is available in both hero and lord form.

Yes, only for the High Elves are they allowed to discriminate against their composition, in every possible way inappropriately reducing it, thanks for the support!

Originally posted by Aleera:

Originally posted by Багряный:

And what about the other factions? The High Elves had a Queen and the Crone DLC that did not include the 8th edition lord. At the same time, the High Elves have the fewest lords, fewer than the Skaven, Dark Elves and Lizardmen. 4 main factions of the game 2. And this is not justified by anything. Personally, your hatred of the High Elves, this is specifically your problem, which has nothing to do with the question posed in this topic. There is an official register of units from GW and CA for some reason it was violated by changing Loremasters from lord to hero. And that's the problem.

I do NOT hate the Highelves, far from it. I'm indifferent to them, their aesthetics are boring to me. I do like their unit composition.
The only hatred I've shown, is about your utter zealotry and crusading in favor of your Highelves.

Norsca needs more love then Helves do, by far. Chaos undivided needs attention. Border princes need to be a seperate faction, not a Empire clone.

There are so many things that are lacking compared to what Highelves already have.

My favorite race by far is Lizardmen and go check my post history, I'm absolutely against Nakai being a LL, I'm against Tiqtak-to as a lord, I like the unit, I dislike the notion of a Kroxigor Ancient being a lord, I'd rather have it as a hero unit. Kroxigors should not be leading a army, they're as dumb as a rock, only the first generation had any semblance of intelligence.

I do not hate Elves, any addition to them is welcome, but NOT at the expense of other factions that are sorely lacking.
Which guess what? The latest DLC does, it gives 2 old world factions a much needed boost and quality of life changes.

Yes, I agree with some of the things you mentioned. But I gave quite specific problems. Now I'm not talking about the fact that the High Elves need Flying Castles with the capabilities of the Black Arks, or the fact that it is necessary to add knights on pegasus, chariots with unicorns, etc. I asked a fair question of non-compliance with Canon 8, editions as I have never seen the justification for why the status of the Loremasters was changed, why the High Elves were not given legendary heroes and why the Queen and the Crone DLC received such little content.

[Jukelo]

I think high elves have way too much choice actually, I'd appreciate if CA would cut their roster by half.

[Aleera]

Originally posted by Багряный:

Yes, I agree with some of the things you mentioned. But I gave quite specific problems. Now I'm not talking about the fact that the High Elves need Flying Castles with the capabilities of the Black Arks, or the fact that it is necessary to add knights on pegasus, chariots with unicorns, etc. I asked a fair question of non-compliance with Canon 8, editions as I have never seen the justification for why the status of the Loremasters was changed, why the High Elves were not given legendary heroes and why the Queen and the Crone DLC received such little content.

Queen and the Crone was a lackluster DLC for both the Delves and Helves, then again it was the first DLC that expanded on the base 4 races. I can't even remember what unit's the DLC gave to the Delves, it was that lackluster.

Many races are lacking a legendary hero, of the 2 core TWW2 races, both the Elves. Then again the Woodelves have 2 legendary heroes.

In my opinion, several lords currently ingame should be nothing but a legendary hero. Nakai, Grombrindal, Snikch. Etc etc. And some, like Tiqtak-to shouldn't even be in the game as a seperate unit.

[Багряный]

Originally posted by Jukelo:

I think high elves have way too much choice actually, I'd appreciate if CA would cut their roster by half.

Skaven Lords

- Master Engineers(Not Lord in Skaven 7th Edition)
- Skaven Warlord
- Grey Seer
- Master Assassins(Not Lord in Skaven 7th Edition)

36 squads, 14 special units = 50

High Elf Lords

- Prince and Princess
- Archmage

29 squads, 11 special units = 40

Oh yes, you are absolutely right

Originally posted by Aleera:

Originally posted by Багряный:

Yes, I agree with some of the things you mentioned. But I gave quite specific problems. Now I'm not talking about the fact that the High Elves need Flying Castles with the capabilities of the Black Arks, or the fact that it is necessary to add knights on pegasus, chariots with unicorns, etc. I asked a fair question of non-compliance with Canon 8, editions as I have never seen the justification for why the status of the Loremasters was changed, why the High Elves were not given legendary heroes and why the Queen and the Crone DLC received such little content.

Queen and the Crone was a lackluster DLC for both the Delves and Helves, then again it was the first DLC that expanded on the base 4 races. I can't even remember what unit's the DLC gave to the Delves, it was that lackluster.

Many races are lacking a legendary hero, of the 2 core TWW2 races, both the Elves. Then again the Woodelves have 2 legendary heroes.

In my opinion, several lords currently ingame should be nothing but a legendary hero. Nakai, Grombrindal, Snikch. Etc etc. And some, like Tiqtak-to shouldn't even be in the game as a seperate unit.

Lizardmen Lords

- Slann Mage-Priest
- Saurus Oldbloods
- Ancient Kroxigor (Not Lord in Lizardmen 6th Edition)
- Chieftain Red Crested Skinks (Not Lord in Lizardmen 6th Edition)

That is, the High Elves received a reduction in their lords, and all the rest received an expansion. Is this justice?

[JediMasterDraco]

Originally posted by Aleera:

For Helves what types of lords?
NONE.

Let's get a second type of lord for Norsca, a third for Dwarves, not to mention all the other races that are lacking. Beastmen with their new DLC will still only have 2 types.

Helves still have 1 more hero type then the Lizardmen.

Not to mention a hero as well as a lord for EVERY wind of magic.

Helves need nothing more.

Loremasters of Hoeth are basicly sergeants you imbed into a swordmaster unit, they have never been a general type.

No they'll have three. Beastlord, Doombull (with the DLC), and Great Bray-Shaman (FLC).

[Juuken]

Hey Багряный, didn't you say CA would definitely release that female HE legendary lord next? What happened? How was the reality check for you? Did you get your algorIthms all mixed up?