Strength- Minotaurs vs Orcs

[Puppet Pal Clem]

Who is stronger in general, and how comparably strong would Taurox the Brass bull be to Grimgor Ironhide. They have to fight to the death 1v1.

[DeepDorkFantasy]

Taurox is empowered by the Big Red himself, so there is no real challenge.

[Rack]

Taurox should be able to beat Grimgor. However Grimgor has insane amount of plot armor so its kinda hard to tell

[Seswatha]

Generally minotaurs are stronger.

However if we talk about Grimgor, in the lore, he wins easily, he's a killing machine with a thick layer of plot armour and Taurox is a relative nobody.

[Ashley]

Grim'gor the guy who might I add doesn't he solo armies in lore? He's got some of the thickest plot armor so probably him. Or it'd be "a draw" and they'd both need to run off.

[Will Report Flying Cars]

Isn't grimgor and archaeon the two strongest in the lore

[Aleera]

Strength wise? Minotaurs.

Orcs are one of the strongest creatures that exist, for their size. They're on par with dwarves for phyiscal strength, a Dwarf as tall as a Orc will generally be the same, if not stronger physically.

Minotaurs are pure muscles, always raging and they tower over Orcs, they're stronger then trolls muscle wise. If they were the same size, I'd still go for minotaur as the stronger being.

Taurox is almost unbeatable by someone like Grimgor. Taurox is invulnerable, except for that 1 spot in his neck. He's far stronger then Grimgor. Does not tire. To beat Taurox you need finesse, to strike at the 1 spot. Grimgor is brute force only, yes he's smart, but he's not known for finesse. He's more a "You hit me, I hit you harder" type of fighter.

But we all know Grimgor wins, just like Gotrek and Felix always win. Plotarmor. The writers want it.

Gameplay wise, I'm sure Grimgor will beat Taurox in a 1 v 1. Not many lords can beat Grimgor in the game.

[Andrewbh2003]

not too shabby about lore

but in-game taurux is either gonna be an infantry blender "think nakai" or an anti-large specialist "think kholeak" in either situation grimgor is not gonna be a favorable matchup for taurux

overall i guarantee taurux is gonna be the better lord no matter who wins in a duel but yeah grimgor is probably gonna win

[Mr Nothing]

Grimgor is the manifestation of Gork or Mork...

He always wins.

[ashbery76]

Which has the bigger balls.

[Next_Xeneration]

Grimgor would SLAP Taurox's ♥♥♥♥ (his plot armour is literally untouchable God status and I love it). But in general minotaurs slap orcs across the battlefield like it's nothing.

[Aleera]

Originally posted by ashbery76:

Which has the bigger balls.

That would be minotaurs. Orcs themselves are completly genderless species.

Originally posted by Jurassic Zombie From Outer Space:

Grimgor is the manifestation of Gork or Mork...

He always wins.

No, he's the manifestation of Gork, Skarsnik was the incarnation of Mork. Atleast according to Wurrzag. Or it was the other way around.

[Jack Deth]

Lorewise a minotaur is much stronger than an orc and borc physically.

Tabletop wise a minotaur is also much stronger than an orc and borc.

Tabletop wise both Taurox and Grimgor ignore armour saves. Grimgor has always strikes first but even with all his attacks can't 1 round Taurox (Grimgor has 5 attacks into Taurox's 6 wounds) which leaves Grimgor vulnerable afterwards as Taurox has 6 attacks to Grimgors 3 wounds .

Taurox can, if lucky with rolls, kill Grimgor before Grimgor swings based on his impact hits (d3+1 impact hits) which then after Grimgor swings he still has to survive off whatever wounds left taken from impact hits the 6 attacks by Taurox.

Grimgor does have a ward save of 5+ which could help if they roll well.

Lorewise Grimgor beats Taurox because of his terrible plot armor.

[Puppet Pal Clem]

Originally posted by Dada dadda?:

Lorewise a minotaur is much stronger than an orc and borc physically.

Tabletop wise a minotaur is also much stronger than an orc and borc.

Tabletop wise both Taurox and Grimgor ignore armour saves. Grimgor has always strikes first but even with all his attacks can't 1 round Taurox (Grimgor has 5 attacks into Taurox's 6 wounds) which leaves Grimgor vulnerable afterwards as Taurox has 6 attacks to Grimgors 3 wounds .

Taurox can, if lucky with rolls, kill Grimgor before Grimgor swings based on his impact hits (d3+1 impact hits) which then after Grimgor swings he still has to survive off whatever wounds left taken from impact hits the 6 attacks by Taurox.

Grimgor does have a ward save of 5+ which could help if they roll well.

Lorewise Grimgor beats Taurox because of his terrible plot armor.

Thanks for this new info! I heard about a few other infamous doombulls, but i wonder how easy or hard it would be for ironhide!

[UncleDoctor]

Originally posted by No Serotonin:

Originally posted by Dada dadda?:

Lorewise a minotaur is much stronger than an orc and borc physically.

Tabletop wise a minotaur is also much stronger than an orc and borc.

Tabletop wise both Taurox and Grimgor ignore armour saves. Grimgor has always strikes first but even with all his attacks can't 1 round Taurox (Grimgor has 5 attacks into Taurox's 6 wounds) which leaves Grimgor vulnerable afterwards as Taurox has 6 attacks to Grimgors 3 wounds .

Taurox can, if lucky with rolls, kill Grimgor before Grimgor swings based on his impact hits (d3+1 impact hits) which then after Grimgor swings he still has to survive off whatever wounds left taken from impact hits the 6 attacks by Taurox.

Grimgor does have a ward save of 5+ which could help if they roll well.

Lorewise Grimgor beats Taurox because of his terrible plot armor.

Thanks for this new info! I heard about a few other infamous doombulls, but i wonder how easy or hard it would be for ironhide!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but on tabletop, didn't Taurox have a weakness concerning the soft spot on his throat, and it a character pass a certain roll they could crit Taurox or kill him outright?

[Jack Deth]

Originally posted by UncleDoctor:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but on tabletop, didn't Taurox have a weakness concerning the soft spot on his throat, and it a character pass a certain roll they could crit Taurox or kill him outright?

You are correct.

Basically how it works is you roll to hit and any of those hit rolls that were a 6 you set aside to be rolled one by one separately for the wound roll. If any of those 6 to hit rolls also roll a to wound roll of 6 then Taurox would be instantly slain if Taurox fails his saving throw.

Certain WAAC (Win At All Costs) players would argue since some weapons do not allow for armour saves, in this example Grimgors weapon, you can not fail an armour save as you did not take one. This I have always argued is against RAI (Rules as Intended vs. the counterpoint RAW Rules as Written), in bad spirit and gamey.

This meant that even a skaven slave or a zombie could kill Taurox in combat as even though he sits at a 1+ save a roll of 1 is always considered a natural fail. So Grimgor could pull it off, but if he does not get that specific roll (a 6 to hit on a roll and then another 6 on the same die for the wound roll) than he is essentially chopped liver (unless he makes some stellar ward saves, assuming even just 1 impact hit made it through the initial).

It's kinda why Taurox was never popular, also never having an official model (like most of the Beastmen special characters) as most tabletop players prefer to limit chance driven elements.

Originally posted by No Serotonin:

Thanks for this new info! I heard about a few other infamous doombulls, but i wonder how easy or hard it would be for ironhide!

No problemo chummers.

Plot armor aside Grimgor is tough as nails, for myself personally is I find him a bit less interesting than most of the other orc and gobbo characters lorewise so I admit to some bias on part regarding him.