Why does everyone hate Tretch?

[Сибиреязвенный cko]

I mean, he's cool. It's like a semi-hardcore campaign for Skaven, where you don't play a some sort of super-poоper prophet of pox. I mean, he's that ordinary skaven chieftan that is about to become a warlord or even better-greater: the absolute ruler-master of Deep Warrens or even of the Clan Rictus itself or even the world!

I mean, he didn't even die in the end times. That is something.

[Dagy47]

Originally posted by BigBon:

I mean, he didn't even die in the end times. That is something.

you cant die if you run-escape, yes-yes

[Toby Larone]

Cause he's the most difficult skaven start and doesn't offer any broken mechanics like some other.

[Xaphnir]

Because he's one of the least interesting LLs in the game. He doesn't get a mount. He has no special abilities. He has no magic. He buffs the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Skaven units. He doesn't buff his faction.

[Draescan]

Moreso he's just the least interesting of the original skaven campaigns. His whole gimmick is that he needs to retreat from an attacking opponent in order to obtain his best performance vs just ...you know....playing the game. He has nothing unique to him other than this, which doesn't make much sense given that he's from clan Rictus, a clan that's known for its vast wealth and very powerful stormvermin compared to other clans. His bonuses for stormvermin are, fine.. but they neglected Tretch's use of night goblin slaves as fanatical shock troops. He's not just a coward as most skaven tend to be. He's deviously cunning in the lore and none of that is reflected in his mechanics nor his buffs to his army.

Sadly he's just a really uninteresting lord to play as, on top of being extremely lackluster in the field. Ironically he plays more like a dwarf, but verminous valor makes him hard to pin down. He's hard to hit....at first, but that quickly disappears around turn 35 - 40 when other LLs are getting their unique items. At which point even his ward saves and physical resist do very little to keep him relevant. In fact, and I could be wrong I'm not a number cruncher, but I'm fairly sure the skaven chieftain/packmaster would outperform him.....if that's true he's being outdone by something that's available to all the other lords, who have much better mechanics.


That being said tretch is just part of a glaring issue with the original 3 skaven lords due to the age of them and the new style and creativity of the team dedicated to making the newer ones. They're just not interesting mechanically. A few of the base game's lords have just fallen behind in the mechanics department due to their age and the power creep of the new mechanics. It's not something that needs to be brought down. They need to be cleaned up so that they can be relevant again.


EDIT: Because I derped

[Rack]

Boring and weak. Nothing interesting about him/his faction

[Yellowdragon]

He sucks. He isn't even cool. At least Queek is cool.
His power sucks, his faction mechanic sucks, his face sucks.

Worst legendary lord in the game.

[The Void Boy]

We hate him because we’re supposed to hate him.

Can you really call yourself a Tretch fan if you like Tretch?

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by Toby Larone:

Cause he's the most difficult skaven start and doesn't offer any broken mechanics like some other.

He does offer broken stuff, just perhaps not on the Eshin / Skryre level. He can easily mass Stormvermin for a perfect Hammer and Anvil(use Doomwheels or something). Note: Deathvermin(Shield+Halberd) voice files are present, supposedly their models too. Next to no idea why Rictus can't recruit them.

If you ask me, Pestilens is the most disappointing Skaven clan. Ok, maybe I just don't like that fiddly gameplay, but...why mess around when you can go for the face? Rictus has Vanguard(ridiculously good provided you can utilize it), Skryre / Moulder / Eshin are obvious and Mors...Mors needs a mod, but once you get it, they immediately turn into their loreful unbreakable, massed formations. Pestilens though...meh. Maybe I'm too direct and they are for more conniving personalities? /who knows

Note: This is about FACTION. And it's similar to Tlaqua. Tlaqua as a faction is just fine, fun and all - same applies to Clan Rictus. BUT! Both of their LLs(TikTak and Tretch respectively) are like super disappointing, depressing even.

[Rokso]

Give Tretch Deathvermin and replace that god awful +4 PO for breaking treaties.
He's a melee focused lord/faction and skaven don't have a really elite infantry unit.

[Avedon]

I'd probably go as far as to say he is the absolute worst Lord in the game. Even a nobody like Ghorst that squats down over the spot of more interesting vampires at least has some kind of noticeable advantage to a playstyle that puts him above a generic lord.

Tretch is maybe a degree above using a faction unlocker to play any npc Skaven start in the game purely because of the vanguard tacked onto his army.

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by Rokso:

Give Tretch Deathvermin and replace that god awful +4 PO for breaking treaties.
He's a melee focused lord/faction and skaven don't have a really elite infantry unit.

You want Deathvermin? You also get Mors Clawpacks as an added bonus:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2435588445

Originally posted by Avedon:

I'd probably go as far as to say he is the absolute worst Lord in the game. Even a nobody like Ghorst that squats down over the spot of more interesting vampires at least has some kind of noticeable advantage to a playstyle that puts him above a generic lord.

Tretch is maybe a degree above using a faction unlocker to play any npc Skaven start in the game purely because of the vanguard tacked onto his army.

Yes, Vanguard, huge ambush chance and +13MA / Ambush are the reasons enough to pick RICTUS. But, tbh, anyone could be leading them, Tretch is horrible.

[Monkey.D.Ruffy]

Because usless and lame + bad Start Position.

[Сибиреязвенный cko]

Originally posted by Monkey.D.Ruffy:

Because usless and lame + bad Start Position.

No, he is not useless and lame, also his starting position is just fine.

[Will Report Flying Cars]

Someone has to be the worst.

[robert.s_a]

In battle he could probably be laid out by almost any other melee lord in the game, LL or not. Most of his bonuses go to stormvermin, which are easily one of the worse units in the skaven roster (at least Queek can build them quickly enough that they can replace clanrats)

He gets bonuses for breaking treaties...meaning you get that bonus once, and no one ever wants to make a treaty with you again. And the only good mechanic he has, was ripped straight off from Vlad von Carstein.

On top of that, he was released when the Skaven were far worse than any other game 2 faction instead of considerably more interesting LLs like Ikit, Throt, Thanquol, etc. Might have gotten most of those since then, but its still a substantial waste of a LL slot.

Feels like the entire reason for his existence is that CA wanted to prove how much lore they read so they deliberately chose someone obscure without thinking about how they would actually work.