The Skaven ambush mechanic is ridiculous and unfair

[JiMMy]

I get ambushed while in "Ambush Stance" next to my city Or "Siege Stance" when sieging them then suddenly my troops are "Marching" through some river bed valley and Skaven are shooting my forces from the woods on a higher up hill position, spamming warp lightning... But i wasn't marching to begin with right?

I know there is a solution to everything and a lot of things are doable in life but that does not make what is BS less BS and what is Unfair, fair.

[Zane87]

Skaven can ambush everything, anytime.
It's their kink. It's not unfair cause you can defend against it (and in your case the issue was your ambush stance was detected and Skaven turned that idea against you, not exactly unheard of in RL).

The issue is the map, I understand, I agree. Should not be March ambush maps only, and maybe that will change cause it's not a new complaint.

But, Skaven AI is pretty weak, they didn't do sth you as a player couldn't do and the main issue was that enemy heroes/armies in your ambushing armies vision range spotted it, which was the reason why they could ambush you in the first place. Sth you could have prevented but there always is the chance for bad luck.
Plus Skaven ambush battle AI is pretty bad on top.

[Captainbeastfeast (Rat-ee-JiK)]

its fine. thats their thing. Their units are mostly pretty weak so its not a problem if you know what to expect.

[Aleera]

Originally posted by cow99:

its fine. thats their thing. Their units are mostly pretty weak so its not a problem if you know what to expect.

it's not fine. It's a horrible mechanic.

Evenmore so because you MUST fight the ambush, because autoresolve is so in favor of the Ambushing party.

If in a siege, and the skaven army attack moves on my sieging army. I should be at their walls, able to be deployed. With their main army in a flanking position.
Not walking along some road where I wait 20 seconds before I can move.

[Inardesco]

Yea yea

Dont worry

Nothing will change

And a new thread in 2 weeks about it

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1461856999

[Raider Deci]

Its absolutly fine as an attack-mechanic. But if you are in a siege or is in encampment-mode should imo work as a hard counter. And them being able to bring reinforcement on their own is BS

[Captainbeastfeast (Rat-ee-JiK)]

haters gonna hate.

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by cow99:

haters gonna hate.

Had a 4v1 ambush battle during my Grimgor campaign with Grom. 4 Black Orcs, 4 Goblins, some snotlings, arachnaroks, goblin shaman, some archers and managed to win. Was my own stupid fault though for underwaying next to their settlement but it was a glorious battle. Goblins with Grom are ridiculous and held the line just as great as the Black Orc did.

[Lady MacBeth]

Originally posted by Raider Deci:

And them being able to bring reinforcement on their own is BS

You get to bring reinforcements to ambush battles, why shouldn't they?

[RED /(Weber)\]

And so the cycle begins again.

[techsprite]

I like that each race is annoying, each in it's own way. Skaven ambush. Naggarond bombards you from the coast. Reikland with stacks of artillery is terrifying. Dwarves are difficult when they are defending walls. Elves will pepper you with arrows if you've neglected to bring cavalry. Lizard men will crush you with dinosaurs if you stand and fight. Tomb Kings just won't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ die, no matter how many times you kill them. All these traits taken on their own seem "unfair" I suppose.

I hate facing Alith Anar (an ambusher) and probably Tyrion more than any other lords, but it keeps the game interesting.

[Namhaid]

Overall I like the ambush mechanic for skaven, it gives them a bit of an edge that the ai tends to need with them and means you have to look out for something extra in the tactical map when you are fighting them; but I agree that in some situations, like sieges and encamped stance it shouldn't be allowed (if they discover your ambush and ambush you back it's fine though).

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Yea yea

Dont worry

Nothing will change

And a new thread in 2 weeks about it

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1461856999

Does this still work? It doesn't seem to have been updated in a while.

[Inardesco]

Yes it works, atleast until CA change something about the encamp and/or siege stance.

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by Namhaid:

Overall I like the ambush mechanic for skaven, it gives them a bit of an edge that the ai tends to need with them and means you have to look out for something extra in the tactical map when you are fighting them; but I agree that in some situations, like sieges and encamped stance it shouldn't be allowed (if they discover your ambush and ambush you back it's fine though).

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Yea yea

Dont worry

Nothing will change

And a new thread in 2 weeks about it

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1461856999

Does this still work? It doesn't seem to have been updated in a while.

I disagree that you should be immune in either stance. Putting up some l

A more fitting map would make sense.

[Kyso4ek]

Spend points in ambush defence chance and stay in low ambush terrain on the global map.
Dont spend all your points on attack rating and damage for your lord!
The game has the tools but you refuse to use them over and over again.

[Captainbeastfeast (Rat-ee-JiK)]

you can always go into ambush stance yourself.More effective in forests, ofc. As for gettin ambushed in seigs thats a schoolbuy error. Most of the time you should be attacking in a seige straight away, not waiting for enemy reinforcements to arrive which is always time consuming to deal with and painful.

In other words, up your game.