PLS tell me they gonna rework the dwarfs Grudge mechanic

[♥☉Solar☉♥]

I absolutely love the dwarfs and would love to play with them more but cant because the whole book of grudges ruins it for me.


I know its a big part of their lore and all, but in the game it's just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ annoying gameplay wise in late game.

Every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time an army leader raids or beats you. ♥♥♥♥♥ gets real. Now you have to pray to the gods that that hero wont decide to turn around and get as far away from you as possible. You cant do anything against it. The gurdges will stay and get worse and worse because in order to resolve it, you would need to stomp your way through regions just to hunt that one mother ♥♥♥♥♥♥ down before your people lose their ♥♥♥♥♥.

This is especially annoying, when the target of your grudges, merges with another empire. Now you have to declare war with them just because you have to murder that one mother ♥♥♥♥♥♥ otherwise its game over.

Why oh why in gods name do these grudges have to give you such a steep penalty? It makes no sense. In the Davi lore, the book of grudges are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ FULL with decades old unfulfilled grudges, and the people are still happy enough to follow the next king in line, so why do they make your life a living hell if you cant fulfill one in say 20 turns in game????

This ruins the whole thing when you have to chase down 1 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ army across the whole map, not even mentioning when you get raided by multiple ones at the same time during late game......

[yuzhonglu]

Ah, the Dwarves. The only faction with a special mechanic that screws them over.

[♥☉Solar☉♥]

Originally posted by yuzhonglu:

Ah, the Dwarves. The only faction with a special mechanic that screws them over.

exactly

you dont even have a neutral mode like how the humans or skaven have with their special things

no, you either have a bonus, or a negative or a ♥♥♥♥ you you are screwed penalty....

[yuzhonglu]

The Dwarves are the whipping boy of Warhammer 2.

[Lady MacBeth]

Never had this problem on legendary or very hard playthrough as Thorgrim. Sorry it doesn't compute for me.

PS block army is a dwarves best friend

[Ammy]

Honestly, it might need some touch ups. But its great for RP focus, really getting into the whole Gruding aspect.

[♥☉Solar☉♥]

Originally posted by Ammy:

Honestly, it might need some touch ups. But its great for RP focus, really getting into the whole Gruding aspect.

Yeah me too. My problem is not the whole Book of Grudge thing, its the penalties it gives you.

I'm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sick of chasing 1 army through the map, because if I dont, my people go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and decide its better to ♥♥♥♥ up the realm rather than calm the ♥♥♥♥ down and just keep grumbling like they did for years.

Originally posted by Ming:

PS block army is a dwarves best friend

Yeah well your block army strategy might be working during early/mid game, but late game when it takes 6 turns to get from 1 end of your empire to the other, kinda makes it hard to keep posting dudes who could block them, especially when you would used them for more useful stuff like boosting or having them embed in an army.

[Lady MacBeth]

Originally posted by ♥☉Solar☉♥:

Originally posted by Ammy:

Honestly, it might need some touch ups. But its great for RP focus, really getting into the whole Gruding aspect.

Yeah me too. My problem is not the whole Book of Grudge thing, its the penalties it gives you.

I'm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sick of chasing 1 army through the map, because if I dont, my people go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and decide its better to ♥♥♥♥ up the realm rather than calm the ♥♥♥♥ down and just keep grumbling like they did for years.

Originally posted by Ming:

PS block army is a dwarves best friend

Yeah well your block army strategy might be working during early/mid game, but late game when it takes 6 turns to get from 1 end of your empire to the other, kinda makes it hard to keep posting dudes who could block them, especially when you would used them for more useful stuff like boosting or having them embed in an army.

I'm not the one who is having the problem here I should remind you. The only legendary campaign I have done was dwarves, and again I didn't have this issue. I also use ambush stance alot. You armies are invisible to the AI with it. Guess it also matters the direction you expand. I expand south. Make friends with the TKS, and I take everything else. I aim to kill grimgor, eshin, mors, kroq, and malus. Plus any minor greenskins, or skaven that I run across if they haven't been wiped out.

[anolisjd1990]

I can for sure tell you they will not. Not that i would like it if they did, i would.

It just wont happened, it makes no sense to revisit old races that have been updated already. Dwarfs, VC, Empire, Wood Elves,Greenskins won't be updated a second time. they may get some tweak here and there but no more big updates. Brettonia might get something.

If you use logic you can see they are finishing up WH1 races and WH2 races and concentrate fully on WH3 upcoming content.

[♥☉Solar☉♥]

Originally posted by anolisjd1990:

I can for sure tell you they will not. Not that i would like it if they did, i would.

It just wont happened, it makes no sense to revisit old races that have been updated already. Dwarfs, VC, Empire, Wood Elves,Greenskins won't be updated a second time. they may get some tweak here and there but no more big updates. Brettonia might get something.

If you use logic you can see they are finishing up WH1 races and WH2 races and concentrate fully on WH3 upcoming content.

Well I sure as hell aint gonna get wh3 before looking up how the nations work thats for sure, because if they keep this ♥♥♥♥ for the dwarves and the empire (yeah dont even get me started on the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mandatory random event empire battles every 10 turns....) might as well not play it at all.

[Spell]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2312671852

See if this will brighten your day.

[IntrepidH]

The book is mean to become overwhelming
It’s a joke lol
The insane late game power of dwarf technology and structure bonuses MORE than compensate for the book debuffs

Literally late game dwarfs can recruit 19 fully elite iron breakers in one turn
While makings tens of thousands of gold from their gold mines

You’ll learn to manage. Just because you see something in red font doesnt make it the end of the campaign

[Darth Wadewilson]

Thats the point of grudges. It's meant to be stupid and annoying and often pointless. It's a running joke in the lore that dwarfs are yet to get.

Lorewise. Dawi are a dying race of stubborn people holding meaningless grudges who simply refuse to give up holds they can no longer defend. They are not meant to be easy early game. Easy dawi was game 1 dawi.

[Aleera]

Originally posted by yuzhonglu:

Ah, the Dwarves. The only faction with a special mechanic that screws them over.

Beastmen? Pre this DLC Woodelves? The Empire? Almost every single event Norsca gets?

Beastmen: Every X turns get a big buff, with a even bigger penalty. Don't want any? TO BAD, pick one.
Pre this DLC, Amber. Have fun not being able to afford half of your roster depending on lord Pick.
Empire, turn 4 Vampires are invading, Drycha is a ♥♥♥♥♥. Time to get penalties for something way outside players control.
Norsca event, Pick your penalty for 10 turns. Less armor, or less speed. Less MD or less MA, etc etc.
Chaos Faction, you're playing Chaos. This only screws you over.

But yes, only Dwarves have a mechanic that screws them over. /sarcasm

[Darth Wadewilson]

Originally posted by Aleera:

Originally posted by yuzhonglu:

Ah, the Dwarves. The only faction with a special mechanic that screws them over.

Beastmen? Pre this DLC Woodelves? The Empire? Almost every single event Norsca gets?

Beastmen: Every X turns get a big buff, with a even bigger penalty. Don't want any? TO BAD, pick one.
Pre this DLC, Amber. Have fun not being able to afford half of your roster depending on lord Pick.
Empire, turn 4 Vampires are invading, Drycha is a ♥♥♥♥♥. Time to get penalties for something way outside players control.
Norsca event, Pick your penalty for 10 turns. Less armor, or less speed. Less MD or less MA, etc etc.
Chaos Faction, you're playing Chaos. This only screws you over.

But yes, only Dwarves have a mechanic that screws them over. /sarcasm

"Because dwarfs can't cheese trebuchets in 20 turns"

[anolisjd1990]

Originally posted by ♥☉Solar☉♥:

Originally posted by anolisjd1990:

I can for sure tell you they will not. Not that i would like it if they did, i would.

It just wont happened, it makes no sense to revisit old races that have been updated already. Dwarfs, VC, Empire, Wood Elves,Greenskins won't be updated a second time. they may get some tweak here and there but no more big updates. Brettonia might get something.

If you use logic you can see they are finishing up WH1 races and WH2 races and concentrate fully on WH3 upcoming content.

Well I sure as hell aint gonna get wh3 before looking up how the nations work thats for sure, because if they keep this ♥♥♥♥ for the dwarves and the empire (yeah dont even get me started on the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mandatory random event empire battles every 10 turns....) might as well not play it at all.

Don't play CA has made it clear they don't care.

If they banned people on the Forums for just voicing opinion and hard truths do you think they will lisent?

I am telling you there will be no Dwarf's they already said the next race would be crossover pack WH1 and another WH2, of those ones they already denied Brettonia, Dwarf', VC, Empire all had updates. we might think they ara Beastmen well all of it point to them.