How to counter skaven 100% ambush chance?

[Wharok]

every skaven army essentially has lightning strike? I was just playing as the tomb kings and lost to the skaven because every turn they could lightning strike my army stack and pick out the weak armies, until finally they just outnumbered me. is this intended design? or am I doing something wrong?

[Inardesco]

Kill Skarsnik

[Aleera]

Have mulitple ambushed armies of yourself standing nearby. You'll only need 1 for a success.
If you just have your armies in normal stance boxed together vs Skaven or Beastmen. Well that's your own fault. Learn of your mistake. Never move full march when nearby enemies. Always keep 25% movement (preferable above 25% due to the bug) so you can ambush stance.

Youll be amazed how differently the AI deploys it's armies if you go into Ambushes.

[Toby Larone]

Outside of Ambush and the Lizardmen Astromancy stance you don't have a defense against it.

[Lady MacBeth]

Originally posted by Aleera:

Youll be amazed how differently the AI deploys it's armies if you go into Ambushes.

Of course. Cause the AI can see all armies on the map through fog of war. The only thing they can't see is armies in ambush stance. Unless revealed of course.

Also some lords get ambush defense in their blue lines. I've never bothered to take it though personally in over 700hrs of play.

[Aleera]

Also, to the OP.

Skaven, beastmen and Nagaryth (helf Emo dude with the bow) all lack the standard attack move. These 3 factions all get their ambush chance on their attack move.

Which is far stronger then lighting strike. A ambush allows them to bring reinforcements against a single army. A lighting strike attack removes ALL reinforcements, friend and foe. (unless it's garrisoned inside a city. And you lighting strike the city itself.)

Ambush success chance varies due to terrain, level differences, nearby heroes, followers, traits. Skaven can have well over 200% chance to ambush you.

[Solarfried]

Usually i go in Ambush-Stance by myself, what the Rattis don`t see, they cannot attack... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[A.Pot]

You are probably playing it wrong. I would offer you more info but your post is too vague. Can you provide details on who are you playing, which group are you fighting and where?

[elkapp]

The best way to counter ambush is to use ambush yourself

[yojimbo1111]

It's the intended design.

[Voxrox]

Mod

[cary2010haha]

tomb king is weak against skavens, they are those who need to stack alot of cannon fodder and skaven can always cut you off team by team.

So the best bet is use pure melee monsters against them, sit in a city and wait skaven show up, strike with lightning strike and try to reduce their numbers and quick aim to their main cities, faster you take them out easier to heal and less chance to get ambush.


walk as ambush stance will work but its very difficult without alot save/load in tomb kings area, those place have very low ambush success rate.(40-60 open area without trees)

[A.Pot]

Originally posted by cary2010haha:

tomb king is weak against skavens, they are those who need to stack alot of cannon fodder and skaven can always cut you off team by team.

Found the person who does not know how to use Tomb Kings vs Skaven.

[cary2010haha]

Originally posted by A.Pot:

Originally posted by cary2010haha:

tomb king is weak against skavens, they are those who need to stack alot of cannon fodder and skaven can always cut you off team by team.

Found the person who does not know how to use Tomb Kings vs Skaven.

I am talking about end ganes at 190-250 t,
when you face 2-8 stacks of t5 skaven and you still have limited number of t5s, you better cut their MC quick.

Tomb king is very bad in endgames.

[abyssalfury]

Sometimes, there's not much you can do about it. Trying to deal with Snitch or Rat Vietnam is sometimes just going to be a pain in the ass because of movement limitations. But you can consider that their racial advantage.

Generally though:

Stay in cities when you can, try to lure them to you especially if they hang out in cities. Use your own Ambush stance

DON'T auto resolve if you get ambushed by some crap stack full of skavenslaves. Auto resolve is super in the ambusher's favour, where as you may be able to beat them if you fight normally. Obviously, this depends on the strength of the two armies

Run armies that are less vulnerable to ambush if you know you're going against an established Skaven army. Mostly, don't run armies that to be in specific formations, particularly heavy ranged. Strong, tough melee armies can often ignore a lot of the issues from Ambush

[Ardariel]

First - pay attention to blue skill tree. Usually (well, always, afaik, yet i have not playeed ALL LL and factions yet) there is skill for ambush defense.

Second - pay attention to terrain you move through. If you hold your mouse over some particular area - you would see ambush sucess chance (for your current army), it woul dgive you idea where to move and where to evade.

Use encampment, if you have that stance. Would boost your defenses.

Lure. Use amnush yourself. Stay in ambush stance with your strong army and place your weak army just behind them IN OPEN. that way you would provoke attack on yourself.

And, ofc, most reliable. Kill them or make em vassal.