Nakai and Confederation

[Falaris]

What happens if you confederate regular lizards as Nakai?
What happens if you confederate Nakai as other lizards?

(Currently trying to find out, but if someone already knows, I wouldn't mind saving the time and effort)

[Kaaz]

Lords become hordes and land becomes vassal if you confed as nakai.

Nakai becomes standard and vassal land becomes yours if you confed nakai

[Sikamikanico]

you cant confederate...even if the button is there...at least not in my game

[Elitewrecker PT]

You can, why would it be there otherwise, we know they can remove it if they actually meant for it not to be possible.

[Falaris]

If you confederate as Nakai and regular land becomes vassal land, what happens to that land? Will you still dedicate each to one of the old ones?

Edit: Realized the question didn't ask what I meant for it to ask, edited for clarification.

[Elitewrecker PT]

That question is conflicting. If you're confederating Nakai you'd just get all the vassal land (likely as T1 settlements since that's what they are when captured by other factions).

[Jerroser]

As Kaaz said, if you confederate Nakai he should just become a regular army, but I'm not sure if its a bug but when I used him as Gor Rok he seems to be stuck in an odd halfway state where he has still partially counts as a horde army and had the tab where horde buildings are made but there is nothing to build.

Although in my game I didn't really get him through the usual process though, since I was using the "Recruit Defeated LL's" mod. As early in the game Nakai crashed in to the Savage Orks and got defeated then I confederated his vassal without him then recruited Nakai later after the mod added him to my lord pool.

[Falaris]

Yeah, I'm a bit distrustful of mods that cause confederation for non-standard lords. It is reasonable to expect that to cause non-standard results. Still, working on it. :)

On a side note, just realized Nakai probably can't get the sword of Khaine without nabbing it from someone. I was hoping to pick it up, though, since... well, it's not like he's going to be bothered by public order penalties, is there?

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by Falaris:

If you confederate as Nakai and regular land becomes vassal land, what happens to that land? Will you still dedicate each to one of the old ones?

Edit: Realized the question didn't ask what I meant for it to ask, edited for clarification.

It'll just pick at random.

[Sikamikanico]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

You can, why would it be there otherwise, we know they can remove it if they actually meant for it not to be possible.

then why i cant? i am at turn 160 i am lvl 40 with him i have won the minor victory and still i cant condeferate eith any lizardmen even if my relations are at 300

[KingTiger78]

Originally posted by Sikamikanico:

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

You can, why would it be there otherwise, we know they can remove it if they actually meant for it not to be possible.

then why i cant? i am at turn 160 i am lvl 40 with him i have won the minor victory and still i cant condeferate eith any lizardmen even if my relations are at 300

Well how many stacks do they have? Are they full stacks? A lot of times if the AI isn't getting into wars they'll have a few stacks of armies and a lot of times will refuse confederations because they see themselves as strong enough to protect themselves or to even match you while they have stacks.

Only know because I had this happen with one of the minor lizardman factions and for about 20 turns despite 250+ relations they wouldn't confederate, Than they lost their one stack to invading Dark Elves and without it were more than willing to confederate.

[Sikamikanico]

Originally posted by AssitantSammy:

Originally posted by Sikamikanico:

then why i cant? i am at turn 160 i am lvl 40 with him i have won the minor victory and still i cant condeferate eith any lizardmen even if my relations are at 300

Well how many stacks do they have? Are they full stacks? A lot of times if the AI isn't getting into wars they'll have a few stacks of armies and a lot of times will refuse confederations because they see themselves as strong enough to protect themselves or to even match you while they have stacks.

Only know because I had this happen with one of the minor lizardman factions and for about 20 turns despite 250+ relations they wouldn't confederate, Than they lost their one stack to invading Dark Elves and without it were more than willing to confederate.

i see your point and i think you are right... i killed everybody with only 1 army stack lol...now there are no enemies left...only lizardmen and they have more than 10 stacks each....while i have only one... idint need a 2nd one cause i was so strong (once i got attacked by 4 full stacks of dark eldar and i click autoreslove and i won! lol)

[Elitewrecker PT]

Well problem solved. Strength wise they're stronger than you and no nearby enemies, why would they surrender their autonomy to you.

[Sikamikanico]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Well problem solved. Strength wise they're stronger than you and no nearby enemies, why would they surrender their autonomy to you.

cause i am hot!! :)