Fighting the VC, killed manfred and his entire army is back the next turn

[Казак]

What the hell? I killed his entire army and him (well wounded) and hes back here now. Is this really how that works? Does the game expect me to deal with vampiric corruption, and having to fight an army twice after killing them once?
ill post a screenshot here

[dev]

What difficulty are you playing? On harder ones the AI gets lots of cheats and buffs.

[Bomjus]

well vampire counts have raise dead. if there are multiple battle markers in a province/region then even if you destroy an army they can raise another decently strong army if they have the cash.

as for mannfred respawning, i'm not too sure. but you can replace lords in a current army with another lord. it could be that the vampire counts are already recruiting a second army when you defeat mannfred, and then replace that 2nd army's lord with mannfred once he is no longer wounded.

[Lain]

most ai legendary lords have instant respawns. i swore for ages whenever i fight ikit claw, the turn after i kill him he is in another army the very next turn

i confirmed it for myself with a toggle fog of war mod and he infact dies and the next turn is in another army, after more tests pretty much every LL i encounter has instant respawn

[Казак]

Originally posted by RiPuLi:

What difficulty are you playing? On harder ones the AI gets lots of cheats and buffs.

Normal both campaign and battle

Originally posted by Bomjus1:

well vampire counts have raise dead. if there are multiple battle markers in a province/region then even if you destroy an army they can raise another decently strong army if they have the cash.

as for mannfred respawning, i'm not too sure. but you can replace lords in a current army with another lord. it could be that the vampire counts are already recruiting a second army when you defeat mannfred, and then replace that 2nd army's lord with mannfred once he is no longer wounded.

I could understand that but its the same army with like half manpower for all of them. There were unique special units too that were still in there. And like it was the same turn is the thing, or maybe one turn after at most.

Originally posted by A peasant:

most ai legendary lords have instant respawns. i swore for ages whenever i fight ikit claw, the turn after i kill him he is in another army the very next turn

i confirmed it for myself with a toggle fog of war mod and he infact dies and the next turn is in another army, after more tests pretty much every LL i encounter has instant respawn

Im betting its a thing with the VC too

[Haldukar]

Is Vlad alive? If not maybe Manny killed him a get his trait which reduces wounded time by 4 turns

[WΛRMΩNGΞR]

Yeeeeaaaaahhhhhh...... It's not medieval 2 total war, so they'll keep coming at you until you take all their territories. It makes it feel more moba or mmo'y, like that battle arena crap. It get's old having to face an enemy LL for the 50'th time. But it is what it is. It's CA.

[Dominic]

Originally posted by balthasar gelt:

What the hell? I killed his entire army and him (well wounded) and hes back here now. Is this really how that works? Does the game expect me to deal with vampiric corruption, and having to fight an army twice after killing them once?
ill post a screenshot here

VC mobile recruitment is very very good, expensive, but following a blood bath, they can insta recruit Tier 5 units, its a viable strategy, dont build recruitment buildings just spam skeletons, and when they get slaughtered, you can summon terrorgeists

[Nate]

Originally posted by balthasar gelt:

Originally posted by RiPuLi:

What difficulty are you playing? On harder ones the AI gets lots of cheats and buffs.

Normal both campaign and battle

Originally posted by Bomjus1:

well vampire counts have raise dead. if there are multiple battle markers in a province/region then even if you destroy an army they can raise another decently strong army if they have the cash.

as for mannfred respawning, i'm not too sure. but you can replace lords in a current army with another lord. it could be that the vampire counts are already recruiting a second army when you defeat mannfred, and then replace that 2nd army's lord with mannfred once he is no longer wounded.

I could understand that but its the same army with like half manpower for all of them. There were unique special units too that were still in there. And like it was the same turn is the thing, or maybe one turn after at most.

Originally posted by A peasant:

most ai legendary lords have instant respawns. i swore for ages whenever i fight ikit claw, the turn after i kill him he is in another army the very next turn

i confirmed it for myself with a toggle fog of war mod and he infact dies and the next turn is in another army, after more tests pretty much every LL i encounter has instant respawn

Im betting its a thing with the VC too

The ai does cheat even on normal, but he shouldn’t have any late game units and only trash once the start army is dead, the same army at half hp makes it sound like you beat the army and him, but only once so he backed off, that’s the only way it would be the same army and half hp

[The Ghost Pyro From Outerspace!!]

The amount of cheats CA gives the AI in this game is shameful.

[Zane87]

Originally posted by balthasar gelt:

What the hell? I killed his entire army and him (well wounded) and hes back here now. Is this really how that works? Does the game expect me to deal with vampiric corruption, and having to fight an army twice after killing them once?
ill post a screenshot here

Was he actually dead in battle? His portrait being grey after being back on the campaign map and in the after-battle screen?

The game has a mechanic where any unit that gets wiped out in battle has a very, very small chance to still survive. This gets boosts a bit for Lords/heroes. It gets boosted a lot for vampire factions.

It's not uncommon that after winning even an autocalc battle (which usually wipes out the full stack) the Lord and some units survive. Coupled with vampire raise dead mechanic, this could explain it.

Another explanation is that he had a 2nd army close (small or not is irrelevant with raise dead) and Manfred through gear and skills has 1 turn recovery. In vanilla, the wounded recovery times are pretty fast already, not to hard to get it down to 1 with the right Lords. He could then just replace the other armies Lord next turn, raise dead and round 2.


He still can't keep this up forever, trust me.

[Zane87]

Originally posted by The Ghost Pyro From Outerspace!!:

The amount of cheats CA gives the AI in this game is shameful.

The amount of lack of knowledge of the mechanics in your post is shameful. At least try to understand stuff next time, dude.

[stehorz]

At some point you may notice that one of your legendary lords dies and is available next turn (MAybe this is only confederated lords but I remember seeing it , I just don't tend to lose LL's). Vampire coast can raise dead, global recruit and local recruit. Factions tend to have global timer reductions and increased recruitment capacity. So its not so much cheating, the player can also do similar but sure maybe the AI has a boost - it needs it I suppose as you can abuse its predictability with bait settlements. in later game armies become redundant and need disbanded and recruited quickly, the upkeep cost exceeding recruitment cost exponentially as you expand.

[Казак]

Originally posted by Nate:

Originally posted by balthasar gelt:

Normal both campaign and battle



I could understand that but its the same army with like half manpower for all of them. There were unique special units too that were still in there. And like it was the same turn is the thing, or maybe one turn after at most.


Im betting its a thing with the VC too

The ai does cheat even on normal, but he shouldn’t have any late game units and only trash once the start army is dead, the same army at half hp makes it sound like you beat the army and him, but only once so he backed off, that’s the only way it would be the same army and half hp

The thing is he was dead, everyone, 1024 casulties out of 1024 but its like i won battle where i merely inflicted heavy casulties, and he was dead i remember actually killing him.

Originally posted by Dominic:

Originally posted by balthasar gelt:

What the hell? I killed his entire army and him (well wounded) and hes back here now. Is this really how that works? Does the game expect me to deal with vampiric corruption, and having to fight an army twice after killing them once?
ill post a screenshot here

VC mobile recruitment is very very good, expensive, but following a blood bath, they can insta recruit Tier 5 units, its a viable strategy, dont build recruitment buildings just spam skeletons, and when they get slaughtered, you can summon terrorgeists

that would probably explain it but like man its ♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell fighting these guys

Originally posted by Zane87:

Originally posted by balthasar gelt:

What the hell? I killed his entire army and him (well wounded) and hes back here now. Is this really how that works? Does the game expect me to deal with vampiric corruption, and having to fight an army twice after killing them once?
ill post a screenshot here

Was he actually dead in battle? His portrait being grey after being back on the campaign map and in the after-battle screen?

The game has a mechanic where any unit that gets wiped out in battle has a very, very small chance to still survive. This gets boosts a bit for Lords/heroes. It gets boosted a lot for vampire factions.

It's not uncommon that after winning even an autocalc battle (which usually wipes out the full stack) the Lord and some units survive. Coupled with vampire raise dead mechanic, this could explain it.

Another explanation is that he had a 2nd army close (small or not is irrelevant with raise dead) and Manfred through gear and skills has 1 turn recovery. In vanilla, the wounded recovery times are pretty fast already, not to hard to get it down to 1 with the right Lords. He could then just replace the other armies Lord next turn, raise dead and round 2.


He still can't keep this up forever, trust me.

Im betting it was really bad luck and he and a good portion of his army managed to survive due to that mechanic, because he definetly didnt have another nearby army to merge with so thats probably the only explantion.

[matlajs]

The amount of cheats is a one thing and a inconsistency in a fair distribution amongst a races is a second. Like 1 city dwarves can afford same amount of troops like 1 city crap brets or the difference is negligible, but quality is an entirely different story. Simply AI shouldn't be able to recruit units for free no matter which one, so ai ending with 1 city with high tier military buildings spam 2 stacks of something and roll over the weaker, same numerous counterparts.

[Toby Larone]

Originally posted by Zane87:

Originally posted by balthasar gelt:

What the hell? I killed his entire army and him (well wounded) and hes back here now. Is this really how that works? Does the game expect me to deal with vampiric corruption, and having to fight an army twice after killing them once?
ill post a screenshot here

Was he actually dead in battle? His portrait being grey after being back on the campaign map and in the after-battle screen?

The game has a mechanic where any unit that gets wiped out in battle has a very, very small chance to still survive. This gets boosts a bit for Lords/heroes. It gets boosted a lot for vampire factions.

It's not uncommon that after winning even an autocalc battle (which usually wipes out the full stack) the Lord and some units survive. Coupled with vampire raise dead mechanic, this could explain it.

Another explanation is that he had a 2nd army close (small or not is irrelevant with raise dead) and Manfred through gear and skills has 1 turn recovery. In vanilla, the wounded recovery times are pretty fast already, not to hard to get it down to 1 with the right Lords. He could then just replace the other armies Lord next turn, raise dead and round 2.


He still can't keep this up forever, trust me.

That is a mechanic uniquie to vampires where after a battle some destoryed units including lords have a chance to come back to live.