Thunderers...

[Hurricane]

Okay they are amazing when they work but why the ♥♥♥♥ do they sometimes just refuse to shoot?

I mean wtf? the ground literally cant have any bumps in it or they derp.

Tunnel fight i just had on legendary was 100% win with no losses but they just refused to shoot down the hill even though they had clear los and nothing in their way, allowing black orc spam to reach me with no losses.

I really wanna use these guys but 9/10 they derp, empire hand gunners dont derp this much, why do these?

[Kaaz]

https://i.imgur.com/uRh1OA0.png

the hill section
(nicked from - https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/7ufew8/a_guide_to_gun_formations_in_total_war_warhammer/ )

[Hurricane]

I know how to use them... that doesnt fix it they will always derp and cost you... while quarrelers always fire yet do no ap... in open battles thunds are insane if they dont derp

[renoB]

Thats odd it happens with the thunderers but not the quarrelers. If it was due to the height of the model then you would think it would effect both.

Hopefully it gets resolved soon.

[Hurricane]

Originally posted by DM Jim:

Thats odd it happens with the thunderers but not the quarrelers. If it was due to the height of the model then you would think it would effect both.

Hopefully it gets resolved soon.

Gun units only have direct line of fire bows and xbows arc so they can shoot over. The direct line of fire on gunners is so strict by the terrain it totally fks them... de xbows are insane due to this.

They should just allow guns to shoot over units too

[renoB]

Originally posted by Hurricane:

Originally posted by DM Jim:

Thats odd it happens with the thunderers but not the quarrelers. If it was due to the height of the model then you would think it would effect both.

Hopefully it gets resolved soon.

Gun units only have direct line of fire bows and xbows arc so they can shoot over. The direct line of fire on gunners is so strict by the terrain it totally fks them... de xbows are insane due to this.

They should just allow guns to shoot over units too

Good call about the arc of fire. I hadn't thought of that. It also explains why the empire handgunners dont have the same problem. Not so sure about the idea of changing their fire arc though, but it might be the only viable solution. Ignoring terrain certainly wouldnt work.

Damn those short legs!

[Hurricane]

Yeah empire have issues too but nowhere near as bad as the dwarves you basically need to make a weird formation to get them shooting and its not very well defended.

Organ guns have less issues... and organ guns are pretty good now. All dwarvern stuff has issues tbh. Fire drakes and such only work if you tie units up with lords because the friendly fire screws your own men.

So many cool units not working properly reminds me why i hate dwarves.

Ironbreakers fire and forget are the best unit. Their bombs alone wipe out most unit.

[barfbag69fartmachine]

Unlike bows and crossbows, black powder weapons like Thunderers and hand gunners need a clear line of fire with no allies in between

If the elevation is high enough they'll take the shot otherwise they will just wait there

You need to use them like the warpfire throwers, engage in melee and shoot their flanks while they're fighting
Or you can use them while the enemy is approaching you to severely weaken their front line before your infantry make contact

[Old Dirty Bingo Caller]

Do you realize that every good damned post you make you just have to mention that you play on "legendary"
Are you really that insecure?

[StarofTanuki]

It's weird but CA never respond this problem .

[Iriath Zhul]

Originally posted by Old Dirty Bingo Caller:

Do you realize that every good damned post you make you just have to mention that you play on "legendary"
Are you really that insecure?

It's necessary; if you don't say you play on Legendary, dozens of "pro gamer xx" types will jump in and flame you for not being "gud".

[teptep]

Originally posted by >po|nt`|ockout<Pugdoubt>.,~*:

It's weird but CA never respond this problem .

What exactly is the problem? bullets go in a somewhat streight line and aren't really usable for firing over allies, hills etc. IMO its working as intended mostly.

[MrPlurface]

Handgunners do the same for me often

[Gray Riders]

Gun units have some line of sight problems in game 2 that weren't present in game 1. There was a comparison video on the official boards:
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/209051/bug-handgunners-and-attack-orders-from-warhammer-1-and-2
It seems if they can see some of the enemy troops in a unit (but not enough of them) they'll hold fire.

The old "checkerboard" deployment seems a lot less effective as a result.

[Chibbity]

Just tested this myself, and yeah; they are a bit less inclined to shoot into a close combat involving friendly troops, you just have to flank them at a bit more of an angle is all.

I doubt this is a bug so much as an intentional balancing/design change to prevent absurd amounts of friendly fire.

[Hurricane]

Originally posted by Iriath Zhul:

Originally posted by Old Dirty Bingo Caller:

Do you realize that every good damned post you make you just have to mention that you play on "legendary"
Are you really that insecure?

It's necessary; if you don't say you play on Legendary, dozens of "pro gamer xx" types will jump in and flame you for not being "gud".

He doesnt understand... hes just salty because hes bad at the game i mean why does he even post here? why does he care if i play legendary or not? I dont care what he plays. He just derails coz hes jealous for some reason? :\