ratling guns not firing

[Nay]

started a new campaign with skavens and my ratling guns barely shoot in battle. I know they need line of sight, and that's the weird part : on top of the unit there is the sign indicating they are actually shooting, but i just spent 3 minutes looking at them and not a single bullet has been fired, even tho the game tells me they are actually shooting. i'm lost

[Wh♂♂par]

Red icon or light-brown icon?

[Nay]

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

Red icon or light-brown icon?

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1550885047849050722/4882D6081B3A1DCB1F0E4CE921206F619775457A/
light brown, the usual when a unit is firing, not the obstructed one

[bruktrukruk]

Had this happen a few times in a recent campaign, not sure of the reason but Alt+Esc a few times out of the game then back in seemed to fix it!

[Zane87]

The firing indicator is not accurate, every model can decide by itself if it has los or not and thus if it can fire or not.

This can result in the shenanigans that you experience, no los issue but not firing or red icon and still some/many are firing.

In your example, as you know I'm sure, it's because of the rats in front of them. Ideally build firing holes in your front formation that leaves out a hole your ratlings can shoot through. If it's small enough enemies will be bound by the frontline and don't run to the ratlings who in turn can fire away. Works with warpfire throwers as well but there the friendly fire will cause some issues .

Tl;Dr: don't trust the icon, trust your own eyes.

[Nay]

Originally posted by Bruce Magician:

TBF, I think Skaven teams SHOULD be able to fire at and through their own units. It's part of their lore.

yeah but that would imply CA has to program something and they are too lazy for that

[Zane87]

Originally posted by Bruce Magician:

TBF, I think Skaven teams SHOULD be able to fire at and through their own units. It's part of their lore.

Afaik they do have a lower friendly fire threshold than other direct fire units. Not sure if this is vanilla or sfo though

Originally posted by Nay:

Originally posted by Bruce Magician:

TBF, I think Skaven teams SHOULD be able to fire at and through their own units. It's part of their lore.

yeah but that would imply CA has to program something and they are too lazy for that

this is already programmed and even changeable in the game files. You can even turn off the friendly fire threshold completely, I remember at least one mod who did it though I do not know what happens if it's set to 0 completely


Edit:
This one for example:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1190546990

Can't check the changed db tables as I usually do, not at home for a while but I'd reckon it's a per unit/missile weapon column and maybe a battle variable (to set minimum friendly fire or sth).
So nothing actually hard to change

[Nay]

Originally posted by Zane87:

Originally posted by Bruce Magician:

TBF, I think Skaven teams SHOULD be able to fire at and through their own units. It's part of their lore.

Afaik they do have a lower friendly fire threshold than other direct fire units. Not sure if this is vanilla or sfo though

Originally posted by Nay:

yeah but that would imply CA has to program something and they are too lazy for that

this is already programmed and even changeable in the game files. You can even turn off the friendly fire threshold completely, I remember at least one mod who did it though I do not know what happens if it's set to 0 completely


Edit:
This one for example:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1190546990

Can't check the changed db tables as I usually do, not at home for a while but I'd reckon it's a per unit/missile weapon column and maybe a battle variable (to set minimum friendly fire or sth).
So nothing actually hard to change

thank you for your input.

sadly i dont think i'll keep playing skaven, lost the same battle over and over again bc of that, i'll stop playing this game for the moment. maybe in a few moment i'll want to play again