How douchy is games workshop?

[NuclearPony]

Kind of want to buy Warhammer 2 total war, but at the same time Ive been hearing some ♥♥♥♥ about games workshop trying to ban youtubers who talk about their games off of youtube?

Can someone give me the downlow on how douchy/non douchy this company is?

[LORD-ORION]

Originally posted by Aksolotli:

GW has lost it's way because Blizzard tried to copy their stuff and hard and few other companies.

What do you mean tried? Starcraft is warhammer 40K.

[Threetails]

In total, if you buy everything at base price, I think this whole series of games is somewhere in the realm of $250-$350. That said, the game is easily worth a solid 1k hours if you play every faction, and that's not even counting mods which I would say add another solid 500-1000 hours of gameplay. So yeah, sure, it's pricey, but if you buy things on sales (which are pretty frequent) you can easily get things half off, which would only be like $125-$175 in total. Again, pricey, but you're getting five to ten times that in gameplay hours. In terms of price to hours of gameplay, this game is 100% worth it. Just make sure that it's actually the type of game that you enjoy. Don't buy everything before you try out a couple campaigns in WH2.

[midori]

Don't buy anything games not on sale. There is no reason to buy full price videogames in 2020.

[lPaladinl]

It's ironic that GW is hyper defensive about their IPs considering they ripped most of their content from other IPs like Tokien's works, Elric, etc.

But they've also been ripped off all the same. Warcraft was a Warhammer game originally till they decided they'd rather have their own license. Even today a good portion of their new lore has roots in Warhammer, just dressed up and mixed around a bit to be "legally distinct".

Starcraft did the same to 40K. Zerg are basically Tyranid. Protoss are an unholy combination of Tau and Eldar. Space Marines be Space Marines.

It's an odd situation honestly. Copyright and Patents are important because that's what encourages people to create greater works and advance technology. But then you can see how some works have strongly benefited off of borrowing ideas just to turn around and try to keep them for themselves.

In theory, the hope would be that people just develop new ideas entirely, but people have a lot of attachment to existing ideas because they're already appealing.

[fmalfeas]

Originally posted by LORD-ORION:

Originally posted by Aksolotli:

GW has lost it's way because Blizzard tried to copy their stuff and hard and few other companies.

What do you mean tried? Starcraft is warhammer 40K.

Not just Starcraft.

Warcraft was originally a Warhammer Fantasy game that they tried to slip out, GW got wind and said 'Um...we never signed off on this.' Blizzard went 'Better to ask forgiveness than permission?' And GW's response was 'Nope. And now you get neither. Ever.'

Then they tried AGAIN with Starcraft. Both times they had to do revamps before release because GW caught them and said 'And...HELL NO.' Thus we have Blizzard's big two IPs birth.

[jonoliveira12]

GW are a great company that treats it's employees well and created 2 hugely Gothic-Catholic settings that celebrate older value systems and make you think about how good you have it now.

I reccomend Warhammer to everyone, specially the religious.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by fmalfeas:

Originally posted by LORD-ORION:

What do you mean tried? Starcraft is warhammer 40K.

Not just Starcraft.

Warcraft was originally a Warhammer Fantasy game that they tried to slip out, GW got wind and said 'Um...we never signed off on this.' Blizzard went 'Better to ask forgiveness than permission?' And GW's response was 'Nope. And now you get neither. Ever.'

Then they tried AGAIN with Starcraft. Both times they had to do revamps before release because GW caught them and said 'And...HELL NO.' Thus we have Blizzard's big two IPs birth.

Just remember taht Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne changed the name of the Night Elf Ballista to Glaive Thrower, the Wyvern Rider to Windrider and the Steamtank to Siege Engine, because they got hit with a lawsuit from GW.

Blizz used to be known for very polished gameplay, not originality in any way.
All their famous IPs are copy-pasted from something else.

[A.Pot]

Originally posted by lPaladinl:

It's ironic that GW is hyper defensive about their IPs considering they ripped most of their content from other IPs like Tokien's works, Elric, etc.

But they've also been ripped off all the same. Warcraft was a Warhammer game originally till they decided they'd rather have their own license. Even today a good portion of their new lore has roots in Warhammer, just dressed up and mixed around a bit to be "legally distinct".

Starcraft did the same to 40K. Zerg are basically Tyranid. Protoss are an unholy combination of Tau and Eldar. Space Marines be Space Marines.

It's an odd situation honestly. Copyright and Patents are important because that's what encourages people to create greater works and advance technology. But then you can see how some works have strongly benefited off of borrowing ideas just to turn around and try to keep them for themselves.

In theory, the hope would be that people just develop new ideas entirely, but people have a lot of attachment to existing ideas because they're already appealing.

When GW rips off on something, no one says anything. When someone else rips off on GW, everyone loses their minds.

https://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/BLPROCESSED-Beastgrave-Cover.jpg

https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/pictures/40k+is+the+most+original+setting+you+guys+they+have_2e2d52_7814196.jpg

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by al_potenciano:

Originally posted by lPaladinl:

It's ironic that GW is hyper defensive about their IPs considering they ripped most of their content from other IPs like Tokien's works, Elric, etc.

But they've also been ripped off all the same. Warcraft was a Warhammer game originally till they decided they'd rather have their own license. Even today a good portion of their new lore has roots in Warhammer, just dressed up and mixed around a bit to be "legally distinct".

Starcraft did the same to 40K. Zerg are basically Tyranid. Protoss are an unholy combination of Tau and Eldar. Space Marines be Space Marines.

It's an odd situation honestly. Copyright and Patents are important because that's what encourages people to create greater works and advance technology. But then you can see how some works have strongly benefited off of borrowing ideas just to turn around and try to keep them for themselves.

In theory, the hope would be that people just develop new ideas entirely, but people have a lot of attachment to existing ideas because they're already appealing.

When GW rips off on something, no one says anything. When someone else rips off on GW, everyone loses their minds.

https://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/BLPROCESSED-Beastgrave-Cover.jpg

https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/pictures/40k+is+the+most+original+setting+you+guys+they+have_2e2d52_7814196.jpg

Skrew Blizzard, they should have not ruined Warcraft and Starcraft, by making them Kiddy Grade.

Long live GW, who does not shy away from actual dark and heroic themes.

[A.Pot]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Originally posted by al_potenciano:

When GW rips off on something, no one says anything. When someone else rips off on GW, everyone loses their minds.

https://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/BLPROCESSED-Beastgrave-Cover.jpg

https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/pictures/40k+is+the+most+original+setting+you+guys+they+have_2e2d52_7814196.jpg

Skrew Blizzard, they should have not ruined Warcraft and Starcraft, by making them Kiddy Grade.

Long live GW, who does not shy away from actual dark and heroic themes.

Hope you are ready for the kowtowing to SJWs because its already begun if some of the more recent BL books are to be believed

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by al_potenciano:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Skrew Blizzard, they should have not ruined Warcraft and Starcraft, by making them Kiddy Grade.

Long live GW, who does not shy away from actual dark and heroic themes.

Hope you are ready for the kowtowing to SJWs because its already begun if some of the more recent BL books are to be believed

Except that GW has already sent a second leyyer saying Warhammer is for everyone, including the people the SJWs do not like.

Patreon also recently lost a case that will kill deplatforming in the future.

Then there is the disaster of Disney Star Wars and Marvel, which is proving to companies that SJWs do not even buy the products they demand the change to.

BLM riots arew also backfiring massively, and made people less sympathetic to their cause.

SJWs, like hippies, will soon be a ghost of the past.

[Case]

Originally posted by al_potenciano:

They did try a to sue the author of a book for using the term Space Marine, despite it being very commonly used in various works of science fiction

They tried to sue the Heinlein estate. They're lucky Niven and Heinlein don't own everything they stole from them between Starship Troopers and A Mote in God's Eye alone.

[TUTUZIN :)]

gg

[A.Pot]

Originally posted by Nebiros:

Originally posted by al_potenciano:

They did try a to sue the author of a book for using the term Space Marine, despite it being very commonly used in various works of science fiction

They tried to sue the Heinlein estate. They're lucky Niven and Heinlein don't own everything they stole from them between Starship Troopers and A Mote in God's Eye alone.

I was talking about a different book but yeesh if the they actually tried to sue whoever owned the IP for Starship Troopers.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Spots-Space-Marine-Defense-Fiddler-ebook/dp/B006MGJYOE

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by NuclearPony:

Kind of want to buy Warhammer 2 total war, but at the same time Ive been hearing some ♥♥♥♥ about games workshop trying to ban youtubers who talk about their games off of youtube?

Can someone give me the downlow on how douchy/non douchy this company is?

When it comes to CA (The developers of this game) they are good in my book, but arguments can be made that their DLC policy is greedy (Personally i just like additional content being added continuously keeping the game fresh, but if you have a limited budget or don't want to spend to much on the same game then the amount of DLC (not to mention the game 1 + 2 content including all games 1 DLC) may be a issue for you).

When it comes to Games Workshop they are... well... douchy at times (In my humble opinion). They have always struck me as a company that does not really know what its doing half of the time and that doesn't connect properly with their consumers (again my humble opinion and without and proper data to back it up, just assumptions based on casual observance).