How and Why Warhammer saved the Total War franchise.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

I got to think about this for several days now. And I've come to firmly believe that Total War: Warhammer and its squeals has saved the TW franchise, and it's not just the "Fantasy being better than History" argument.

I have come to understand that there are things that Warhammer has brought to the TW games that have potentially saved the TW franchise from eventually growing stale.

1. Races
This is the main and biggest and greatest thing I realized that Warhammer brought to the TW games.

With the introduction of actually different races in Warhammer, CA can't simply make copy and paste factions and cultures any more in historical titles to come.

So we won't see anymore Rome 2s where many of the "new" factions being just a recolor of existing factions with nothing changed from them.

2. Better Skill Trees.

The skill trees from Warhammer far better than the others I've seen in other TW games, though I wouldn't say they're perfect.

The thing they could improve upon the skill trees of Warhammer would be to change them into more historical based skill trees, like Warrior, General, and Govenor skill trees.

Warrior Skill Tree: Focuses on making your "lord" character into a fighter.
General Skill Tree: Focuses on buffing your troops and such things.
Govenor Skill Tree: This would actually allow you to focus the character on governing a province.

Another thing they could do to help the skill trees be a lot better would be to make them a fair amount longer to give an emphasis to go all out into that skill trees. That would make players really have to think about what direction they would want their general to go in.

But those are just two things I wanted to mention, though I can still think of a few others, but I didn't want to just use them all myself. I would like to see if anyone else could see the various great things that Warhammer has added to the TW games.


As a last note. I possibly won't be able to respond too much in the next couple of days, but I would like to still talk to people about this topic.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Цитата допису Hello There:

BRB too busy buying blood DLC

Ok, that's just dumb.

Blood DLC is so pointless anyway.

[Failure incarnate]

Maybe maybe, I'm a WH fans aswell but there's still a little hole in my heart patiently waiting for Empire II Total War. :(

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Цитата допису Squids have curves:

Maybe maybe, I'm a WH fans aswell but there's still a little hole in my heart patiently waiting for Empire II Total War. :(

I think Empire 2 would be a great way to bring the full potential that Empire had tried to be bring, but failed to do so. But they would have to do with utmost care and dedication.

[Jonboy]

It didnt save the TW franchise. Commercially, Rome 2 was most successful. What it did do was introduce a new direction, features and much needed diversity.

Im a big fan of historical TW's and will admit WH has given the series a shot in the arm, but it was always healthy.

[☘♥♥♥♥♥♥Ireland]

Цитата допису Jonboy:

It didnt save the TW franchise. Commercially, Rome 2 was most successful. What it did do was introduce a new direction, features and much needed diversity.

Im a big fan of historical TW's and will admit WH has given the series a shot in the arm, but it was always healthy.

unnecessary necro post is unnecessary.

[Jonboy]

So is idiot post with no context or relevance.

[☘♥♥♥♥♥♥Ireland]

Цитата допису Jonboy:

So is idiot post with no context or relevance.

Are you refering to the OP or yourself? Unclear.

[Tom]

Rome 2 nearly ruined CA, Warhammer saved it. People will spunk money on warhammer total war 1, 2, and 3 to get a refined campaign by then. They will ♥♥♥♥♥ at the price of course, but buy it regardless.

Now if we can only get them to do a 40k total war. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Lin Huichi]

I don't think Warhammer saved the franchise. Rome 2 sold plenty, and TW wasn't in any danger from bankruptcy after Attila, even if that sold less.

But you are mentioning personal things that I wouldn't equate to 'rescuing' the franchise at all. There cannot be monsters and highly diverse races in a historical total war. Everyones human so so what if faction A has pikemen like factions B, C, and D? There is plenty there that offers unique roles and progression within rosters and on the battlefield. Just because Warhammer with its asymmetric diversity comes along doesn't mean all the other total wars are suddenly rubbish because I can't play with dragons.

That said I agree that it will be a hard sell if they continue selling dlcs like Attila and Rome 2, which are basically reskins with a little diversity to them. Compared to the Wood Elves or the beastmen, at the same prices, that's not going to be appealing at all. The next historical total war will hopefully expand in other ways to make up for the limits it has but Warhammer doesn't in faction diversity.

Fully fleshed out naval combat would be a start, and would be a massive upgrade over Warhammer.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

Цитата допису Jonboy:

It didnt save the TW franchise. Commercially, Rome 2 was most successful. What it did do was introduce a new direction, features and much needed diversity.

Im a big fan of historical TW's and will admit WH has given the series a shot in the arm, but it was always healthy.

Yeah it did. You're probably just butthurt that it wasn't a historical title that did it.

And I'm not even talking about it saving the TW franchise from certain death, more so that it revitalized the TW games and made some marked improvments that will help any future TW games.

The biggest and most important thing that Warhammer HAS brought to the TW games has got to be the difference races and how they are actually different from each other. No longer can CA get away with releasing copy and paste content. This alone makes more difference than any other mechanic or improvement.

[Tom]

Цитата допису Lin Huichi:

I don't think Warhammer saved the franchise. Rome 2 sold plenty,

That's because steam refunds were not in at that time, alot of people bought Rome 2 because they loved total war, would they continued to buy total war after that? The AI was garbage, i remember getting sieged and having the enemy just stand at the gate. Then you have the 20 stack of slingers charging you.. CA messed up, and it showd in their vids they did when they took questions from the community.

[Silent J]

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People will spunk money on warhammer total war 1, 2, and 3 to get a refined campaign by then.

I think this is literally the truthiest thing EVER said on these message boards.

[chubbyninja89 (TNB)]

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That's because steam refunds were not in at that time, alot of people bought Rome 2 because they loved total war, would they continued to buy total war after that? The AI was garbage, i remember getting sieged and having the enemy just stand at the gate. Then you have the 20 stack of slingers charging you.. CA messed up, and it showd in their vids they did when they took questions from the community.

I agree with you on that.

I mean while there were a few things that Rome 2 brought to the franchise, but it wasn't enough to really be that great of a game over all. It was just a in the middle good game.

Personally I think that CA chose between Rome 2 and Warhammer, and they chose to focus more on Warhammer which would add a lot more than Rome 2 would have.

[Jonboy]

Цитата допису chubbyninja89 (the Ninja Brony):

Цитата допису Jonboy:

It didnt save the TW franchise. Commercially, Rome 2 was most successful. What it did do was introduce a new direction, features and much needed diversity.

Im a big fan of historical TW's and will admit WH has given the series a shot in the arm, but it was always healthy.

Yeah it did. You're probably just butthurt that it wasn't a historical title that did it.

And I'm not even talking about it saving the TW franchise from certain death, more so that it revitalized the TW games and made some marked improvments that will help any future TW games.

The biggest and most important thing that Warhammer HAS brought to the TW games has got to be the difference races and how they are actually different from each other. No longer can CA get away with releasing copy and paste content. This alone makes more difference than any other mechanic or improvement.

Thanks for paraphrasing my reply. I guess comprehension isn't your thing.

[Karsk]

Цитата допису IceBankMiceElf:

I think the large units and the flying units are what make the difference. Rock Paper Scissors is fun, but adding Lizard and Spock make it better.

Well put sir, well put