Total War: WARHAMMER II

Total War: WARHAMMER II

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Don Cool Jan 4, 2020 @ 9:10am
Why don´t Dwarves have cavalry from a lore perspective?
The Orcs have boars and even in the mountains having a sorely needed fast option besides choppers would be a fine addition to an otherwise strong army composition. Horned mountain goats (rams)? Boars? Smaller bears? I have no idea, there must be something the Dwarves could ride.

I actually tried to google this and came up empty, no one can apparantly imagine a Dwarf riding a boar or another animal.

PS: My neighbour just walked in and told me that Dwarves did ride bears in very early editions of Warhammer, still can´t find anything on google about this. Maybe he is drunk.
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Barser Jan 4, 2020 @ 9:25am 
They can ride a chopper. Oh yeah you already wrote that. Maybe it is because of there short legs.
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Darth Wadewilson Jan 4, 2020 @ 9:27am 
Coz horses are taller than them.. and that's a grudge
Larus Jan 4, 2020 @ 9:28am 
All dwarfs that could ride probably run off with the female orks. That's why you don't see both anymore ;)
Lenny Jan 4, 2020 @ 9:33am 
Originally posted by Don:
The Orcs have boars and even in the mountains having a sorely needed fast option besides choppers would be a fine addition to an otherwise strong army composition. Horned mountain goats (rams)? Boars? Smaller bears? I have no idea, there must be something the Dwarves could ride.

I actually tried to google this and came up empty, no one can apparantly imagine a Dwarf riding a boar or another animal.

PS: My neighbour just walked in and told me that Dwarves did ride bears in very early editions of Warhammer, still can´t find anything on google about this. Maybe he is drunk.

From a lore perspective cavalry is not very useful at all in the dwarfs preferred enviorment. Cavalry shines on plains, grasslands and steppes, large open spaces where they are free to make the most of their mobility and speed.

Dwarfs on the other hand, like it underground. They usually fight in extremely confined spaces like underway tunnels, mines shafts and corridors, mountainsides, canyons or in claustrophobic underground cityscapes. Places where cavalry formations would be easily cornered, pinned down, routed and annihilated.
Last edited by Lenny; Jan 4, 2020 @ 9:35am
gachi is manly Jan 4, 2020 @ 9:50am 
Most Dwarfs don't really trust anything but their own two legs in a battle. The more recklessly minded Dwarfs still don't trust beasts to carry them but they'll ride in a Gyro since it's Dwarf made and tested. They're notoriously suspicious of using anything that isn't Dwarf-made and that extends to using non-Dwarfen mounts. I mean, the only mount their characters could ride in tabletop is ontop of a shield carried by other Dwarfs so that should tell you something.

Also like Lenny said, cavalry is rarely useful for the siege and subterranean battles the Dwarfs mostly fight. In lore they fight way less large scale battles on the surface than they do in this game.

They also don't like spears/lances either. Which are two weapons that are more effective than their weapons of choice when mounted with stubby little arms.
Last edited by gachi is manly; Jan 4, 2020 @ 9:57am
Kally Jan 4, 2020 @ 9:52am 
Because just like spears elves use them, and nobody like elves... I mean really they don't even have breads.
Pervy Jan 4, 2020 @ 9:57am 
Originally posted by MR.calas:
Because just like spears elves use them, and nobody like elves... I mean really they don't even have breads.
Or proper Holds and honour.
RED /(Weber)\ Jan 4, 2020 @ 10:31am 
Why horses when you got helicopter.
Ysthrall Jan 4, 2020 @ 10:32am 
Does an animal have a mind of it's own? Yes.
Is it a dwarf? No.
Then it can't be trusted.

"Trust in steel and stone. Steel and stone have always been true friends of the dwarfs..."

An animal might decide to run away. It might faint with exhaustion. And that's besides it being unable to handle steep terrain, ladders, varying temperatures.

The Dawi may farm goats. They might use donkeys to carry heavy loads along the mountain trails. They might even agree to ship stuff on an ox-cart (likely with a heavy crossbow ready in case the damn beast decides to run off with the cargo....)...

But until the dwarfs find a steed as tough, determined and capable as a dwarf, they will not use them in battle.

What they need to do is invent the motorbike....
Thor II Jan 4, 2020 @ 11:08am 
There's at least one Lord Chaos Dwarves mounted, maybe even two or three. He rides a bull. In other games, I've seen dwarves mounted on bears and Gryphons, I think I've seen (or read) them riding in Goats too, but I don't remember where.

In fact, I was very surprised when I arrived at Warhammer and saw that there was no single unit of Gryphons and that it was not the dwarves who ride in them. The same for WE and Hypogryphons. And seriously, couldn't they give Wyverns to the orcs as it's supposed? Anyway, Warhammer is very economical with the classic flying beasts.
gachi is manly Jan 4, 2020 @ 11:28am 
Originally posted by Thor II:
And seriously, couldn't they give Wyverns to the orcs as it's supposed? .

Orcs have wyverns my man. Their combat lords can ride them.

Thor II Jan 4, 2020 @ 11:56am 
But of course not, if that creature's only presence is like a lord's mount (and sometimes, of a single LL lord) then officially, that faction does not have it. There's no comparison, for example, if I'm playing with Azagh I can have just a Wyvern, if I'm playing with Grimgor, I can't have any Wyvern, so how do they have it?

Wyverns, Zombie Dragons, Gryphons, Chaos Dragon (and perhaps others I have forgotten), are just the mount of a Lord, not all the lords of that faction can have one of them, and even if they have it is just one. It can be like a monstrous unit with a single model (Dragons, Giants, etc.), or it can be like an 8 models unit (Hypogryphons Knights), the important thing is all lords have access and can exist more than one per army.
Last edited by Thor II; Jan 4, 2020 @ 12:09pm
gachi is manly Jan 4, 2020 @ 12:07pm 
Originally posted by Thor II:
But of course not, if that creature's only presence is like a lord's mount (and sometimes, of a single LL lord) then officially, that faction does not have it. There's no comparison, for example, if I'm playing with Azagh I can have just a Wyvern, if I'm playing with Grimgor, I can't have any Wyvern, so how do they have it?

If you're playing Grimgor you buy an Orc Big Boss and toss him on a wyvern.

They "officially" have it. I'm not buying your definition on what "official" means. If it was just Azhag or one LL like Karl with the gryphon, then sure, I'd buy that definition. But you can put any generic orc combat lord on them which is much less restrictive.
Last edited by gachi is manly; Jan 4, 2020 @ 12:10pm
Kalon Jan 4, 2020 @ 12:11pm 
WHY DON'T DWARVES HAVE CAVALRY???

That's a grudge...
Get the book...
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