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How are you running your DPs and Dragons?
What's killing your Dragons and what are you running your DPs against where they're durable?
Dragon princes win with barely losing more than 5% of its models, complete stomp~
Also except for the RoR, dragon princes are not anti large. Sure, they can stomp star dragons, phoenixes, and stuff like the chaos knight RoR, but those are exceptions. They're very solid heavy cavalry made to fight against infantry.
I almost never use dragons, but dragon princes, yeah, they're very good.
I see their point in multiplayer, but in singleplayer with how the AI works I can never justify a cavalry unit against something else (being it a single entity that does the same job or something completely different like one more archer or artillery).
For reference I played Skaven, High Elves, Dwarves, Dark Elves, Empire, Bretonnia, Norsca, Chaos and a bit of Lizardmen. As Bretonnia I just ended up stacking the highest free cavalry tier for that lord and zerging, it was succesfull but I got bored pretty fast (which is sad as I like the chivarly theme).
Yeah but I'm thinking that outcome is with leaving both in combat that way. Why would you do that? They're charging units (or charging, breath weapon and anti-monster/single unit in the case of Dragons). I would never leave them in combat coz that way I'd lose even a balanced gauged battle in many situations, let alone the crazy quad stack ones the AI sometimes throws at you.
If my Dragon or DPs are in battle for more than the time it takes for the charge bonus to wear off surely they're not being used right.
A dragon deals far less damage than a charged unit of Dragon Princes. If you get 4 models into contact you do about equal, usually you can easily get half the unit to touch the enemy which will usually obliterate fragile units and reduce most other units charged from the rear to about 50-60% health.
Dragons are nice for sniping characters. If they attack larger unit sizes they waste a lot of damage because the damage gets split up to the maximum of their cleave value (5-6?) They are hard countered by heavy archer fire.
Dragon princes eat arrows for days thanks to shields, 110 armor and 20% physical resistance.
I was campagining in Araby, against the Tomb Kings.
I would open the batte by having the Dragons do a strafing flyby, usually targeting Tomb Guards, and then swinging them back to recharge thier breath. I had a Loremaster with Earthblood waiting to heal them up.
On a one occasion the enemy had tons of artillary, and I landed the 2 Dragons to take them out while the other two provided air cover. This was a bad move. They got torn to shreds.
Also; you know that there is no reason for the DP to not surround completely the dragon once on the ground right? Then there is no cycle charge possible for the dragon anyway.
I see this, but when I'm rear charging I'm charging units to make them rout. Full in the flank with a Dragon and I'm gonna make them route, especially since to none immune units I'm causing terror as well. It also attacks a lot of units at once on the charge coz of its large hit-box and mass, so it's similar. The major thing, though, is I can sour over the heads of other units to get into position, which is the most massive advantage, particularly when you're taking on armies 2x+ the size and flanking options with ground-based troops become severely limited.
In my experience against even moderately powerful archers especially AP ones, a dragon will eat a disproportionate amount of arrows due again to hit-box. Though this seems to have been changed recently to make them better than they used to be.
Currently playing end game on VH as Warden. My front-line is shoddy and I'm very magic heavy and have a lot of micro-manage units so this might be a difference. Not fighting much arty atm... I've been using flying lords and phoenixes to take arts, but I always make sure to lure any archers, spearmen etc away first if I'm going to do that or like you said they get wrecked.
I never engage horsemen of any kind with my Dragon on the ground tho -- unless I have a very compelling reason to, so it seems a moot point? I mean, I have flying, so I get to decide, not the DP.
Lemme Dragon Breath those DPs three times then engage if I feel like it, which is far more realistic -- then we'll see how those DPs go down.
Star and Moon doesn't? I don't try it because the models are too spread out so it feels a waste of an ability, but I'd be very surprised if a DP unit could take a full 3 volley breath attacks and be competitive in a 1 on 1.
I'll test this now with a custom match-up...
What was the outcome?