Men at Arms/ Foot Squires shouldn't count towards your peasant economy

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

They're not supposed to be peasants. They're supposed to be professional soldiers recruited at a young age so it doesn't really make sense for them to be counting towards your peasant economy when they don't actually do the regular labor of peasants.

[Scrotum Scratcher]

they're peasants at birth and consequently peasants for life. simple as that when it comes to bretonnian society, with extremely rare exceptions.

[Inardesco]

They're still peasants cuz only nobility can afford horse.

[Sins]

If they didn't want to be counted in the peasant economy they should've thought about that before they became peasants.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Did either of you read the content of the post? They're professional soldiers not laborers. Therefore they're not contributing to the economy.

[Dagy47]

its more about them being lowborn, than anything else, they still have it better than regular field working peasantry, and are treatet better... but in case of gameplay, CA just decidet to make the peasant economy as simple as posible, to avoid confusion ( or out of lazyness :)

[Mountain King]

Originally posted by Dagy47:

its more about them being lowborn, than anything else, they still have it better than regular field working peasantry, and are treatet better... but in case of gameplay, CA just decidet to make the peasant economy as simple as posible, to avoid confusion ( or out of lazyness :)

"Lowborn" is probably a better term in this specific case. These soldiers are "peasants" as a social class, not a profession.

[A.Pot]

Technically, OP is right and Men At Arms, along with Yeomen and Squires are guys who are not working the fields and are considered as full time soldiers. But its probably just CA lumping them all together because it was either the Peasant Economy system or another group with Supply Lines.

[Nequis]

Men at Arms are just peasants given weapons,Squires were most likely sons of nobles in the process of becoming knights,given the fact that Squires here are armed to the teeth they shouldn't be counted towards peasant economy.

[Garatgh Deloi]

From a lore perspective its open for debate when it comes to men at arms.

While men at arms are indeed peasants they are as mentioned raised as soldiers from a young age, thus they are never part of the "peasants economy".

That said, the time frame in the Total War: Warhammer game is never specified, how long is a turn? Is it a day? A week? A month? A year? A decade? Etc. Depending on the answer (As far as i know its purposely never specified) you can argue that they are part of the peasants economy as in a lord recruiting to many peasants into the men at war ranks will reduce the number of future normal peasants working the lands (maintaining the man at arms numbers constantly drawing from the peasantry over the decades).


Foot squires on the other hand is not recruited from peasants, many of them are rather bastards that have both noble and peasant blood. They would in general never be a part of the peasants economy no matter what (if a bastard were considered a normal peasant they would never be able to join the foot squires). So them being effected by it is not lore appropriate. That said, to avoid a player simply building endless foot squires, you might want to put some other sort of limit on them instead. Foot squires that perform mighty deeds can even potentially be elevated to knighthood.

[nó]

Men at arms aren't professional soldiers, they're militias that are most likely drafted only when needed. But you're right about foot squires i suppose.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

From a lore perspective its open for debate when it comes to men at arms.

While men at arms are indeed peasants they are as mentioned raised as soldiers from a young age, thus they are never part of the "peasants economy".

That said, the time frame in the Total War: Warhammer game is never specified, how long is a turn? Is it a day? A week? A month? A year? A decade? Etc. Depending on the answer (As far as i know its purposely never specified) you can argue that they are part of the peasants economy as in a lord recruiting to many peasants into the men at war ranks will reduce the number of future normal peasants working the lands (maintaining the man at arms numbers constantly drawing from the peasantry over the decades).


Foot squires on the other hand is not recruited from peasants, many of them are rather bastards that have both noble and peasant blood. They would in general never be a part of the peasants economy no matter what (if a bastard were considered a normal peasant they would never be able to join the foot squires). So them being effected by it is not lore appropriate. That said, to avoid a player simply building endless foot squires, you might want to put some other sort of limit on them instead.

In the lore it's said that only a portion of the Men At Arms are mobilized so the rest can watch over the Knight's holding while he's away.

[Landsknecht und Deutscher Ritter]

Originally posted by knoh:

Men at arms aren't professional soldiers, they're militias that are most likely drafted only when needed. But you're right about foot squires i suppose.

Those are the peasants and yeoman. Men At Arms are full time soldiers.

[franz]

a churl will always be a churl.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by knoh:

Men at arms aren't professional soldiers, they're militias that are most likely drafted only when needed. But you're right about foot squires i suppose.

From the Warhammer lore:
Men-at-Arms on the other hand, are probably the closest thing to a professional soldier a Bretonnian army can field. These soldiers are equipped and trained at the expense of their local Lord to fight on his behalf, with recruitment often starting at a relatively young age.

Men at arms from Bretonnia are not simply a militia of peasants given weapons.

[Mountain King]

Originally posted by Nequis:

Men at Arms are just peasants given weapons,Squires were most likely sons of nobles in the process of becoming knights,given the fact that Squires here are armed to the teeth they shouldn't be counted towards peasant economy.

Peasant Mobs are just peasants given weapons, the '-at-arms' units are indeed professional soldiers like OP says. But they are still taken from the peasantry so it makes perfect sense that they count against the peasant economy because they would be working the fields if they weren't in the army.

Foot Squires are a bit of a different story, the lore I've seen does seem to suggest that they are not from the peasantry.