Mortal empire map smaller than expected.

[Slapjack]

Ok so im seeing some stuff on youtube showing alot of the warhammer 2 maps being cut out the grand campaign. They shrunk the map(less oceans)but they also cut out major lands in nagarath, lustria and the southlands. All of the new world (warhammer 1 map) is mostly intact.

This is very disapointing to be honest. I was expecting just 2 maps to be combined into one. The main reason if not only reason i bought WH 2 was for this grand campaign map. I dont think i would have bought this game without it, unless it was on sale down the road. I will give it a try and see if i like it. i really do hope i do becasue i was looking forward to this for along time.

I was really expecting all settlements to be in the grand campign but that will not to be the case. The map will have 295 settlements. Can someone let me know how many settlements was in WH 1 and WH 2? Would like to see how close the size will be as far as settlements goes.

[Mogletmox]

there was no way they could just slap the 2 maps together
it wouldnt work that way.So they had to cut and stitch to make it happen
in the overall sense of the map they havnt cut that much -new world will stil be big BIG...
and despite what it looks like the overall map will be huuuuuuge

what we see dosnt give it justice..they removed alot of water mass(not needed anyway) which makes the map seems smaller

i dont want to spend 20 turns crossing an empty ocean anyway do you ?


we will have 117 factions running around 250 + settlements

year long end turn times and whatever else pops up

it will be EPIC !!!

[Kinja]

I think some of you are blowing this way out of proportion. The map is larger, by far, than any TW title ever made. It also has the most real variety in factions to date. Have you guys actually watched any LP on youtube? The map is gigantic. The only real loss from the Vortex map is all those cool elven colonies, the rest was nothing special, especially the western side of Naggarond which was a literal cesspool of crappy lands and beastmen...

Also i'm pretty sure, from what they said about having to keep the third game in mind while deciding how the map looks(you can actually see the area of the third game to the east of the World's Edge Mountains), that this is simply all the engine can handle. It's not just about end turn times and user's PCs, the engine is old at this point and has it's limitations just like any other engine.

[Golfbag Mansampler]

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

We must remember this is a FREE update, and as a result, why should we treat it as if it's a huge expansion pack DLC? The fact that they did this at all shows that they did it off their own interest, as many of the devs are Warhammer fanboys.

Sorry, but this isn't true. A grand combined map was one of THEE major marketing tools since before release of WH 1.

It shouldn't be considered as a 'FreeLC' no matter if CA or anyone else says it is. This was a clear implementation, heavily promoted, to sell this trilogy of games. it was a major marketing and game implementation plan, and has nothing to do with 'Fanboys' at CA.

Consumers are absolutely right to be disappointed if the unified map is lacking, We didn't see CA saying last year at WH 1's release that "You know, we're kinda sorta going to reduce game 2's map size'. No, they didn't they promoted it as this major deal.

I can' t stand whiners as much as anybody,and troll them viciously, but come on peope, don't get mindless about this.
Those of us who've been supporting CA since pixelated Shogun 1 are well againted with their propensity to spout utter gobs hyte during prerelease, then back pedal or clam up on post release like the world's scuzziest lawyers.

[Slapjack]

Originally posted by Xenos:

What you ask is technically impossible for this engine.

It could be done. They still have to add in WH 3's map into it and that would be alot more than what a full map of WH 1-2 combined would be.

What should have been done IMO is make the map with all settlements in WH 1-2 in the grand campaign. Now when WH 3 comes out, they should shrink the map like they did in the mortal empire campaign and include all 3 game maps. The map would be massive at that point and can understand why they would have cut some settlements because it would include all 3 maps into one grand campaign. I would be massive in its self.

They could have easly fit both WH 1-2 maps into one, if not, then how are they going to include both WH: 1-2-3 maps into one?

Just ones opinion.

[Batman]

Originally posted by Slapjack:

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

We must remember this is a FREE update, and as a result, why should we treat it as if it's a huge expansion pack DLC? The fact that they did this at all shows that they did it off their own interest, as many of the devs are Warhammer fanboys. If they could, I'm sure they would have made the map as big as possible, but also realized that us, the players, would find it less enjoyable due to a large fps penalty and end turn time, along with a very bad snowball effect once you conquer a full continent. CA specifically tried to find the correct balance of playabiility and enjoyability for us and for that, all my needs for ME is satisfied

I know its a free update but lets be honest, alot of people including me bought this game for mortal empires(grand campaign) and not for the game itself. Ive played and will play the new world map i think but the main map i wanted to play is the grand campaign map. I would have payed $20 + as a DLC as a full map including ALL factions and settlements in both WH 1 and WH 2 on one map.

I like the idea that the map is so big that it would take forever to conquer the entire map. I like the idea i can have built a massive empire and yet, have so much to conquer. I may still have that feeling when i play mortal empire, and most likly will. Just a little dissapointed, we are talking about around 60 settlements cut out of the grand campaign if it were a true grand campaign.

Im still going to play it when it comes out in a few more days, I hope it turns out great. Im sure i will like it. Maybe it will be big enough that i can forgive the cuts in the map size. It would have been easier if we were told early on that it was going to happen. I would have waited in buying the game and waited to see of map.

Come on, you know if they stuck a $20 price tag on it, you'd be burning them to the ground. Something along the lines of "I PAID $60 FOR THE FIRST GAME AND $60 FOR THE SECOND, AND NOW YOU WANT ME TO PAY ANOTHER $20 TO GET THE OTHER HALF OF THE SECOND??!! I'M DONE CA, AND I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE."

Something like that. I'm not pleased about them cutting any content either, but it is free content. The first game was complete. Spent loads of hours playing it. The second is complete as well, basically the first with different factions, but more strategy involved with the introduction of rites, rituals, and unique faction mechanics. I'd say that the second feels more complete than the first. While I'm super stoaked for ME, and will probably play that a majority of the time, the vortex campaign was satisfying.

[Xaia]

Yeah Mortal Empires is like bare minimum for an "epic" feeeling. WH1 And Wh2 both had very small maps.

[Isostran]

People keep telling me that ME is the largest map ever in a total war but I can't find any data on the area of the map compaired to like attila. Anyone know of the comparison data and where I can find it. I already checked wikipedia and it's not on there. Also I am not talking about settlements, I am talking about land area.

[Kaaz]

calculate how far you get in 1 turn and extrapolate from there on the map. the old world is mostly the same afaik

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Originally posted by Isostran:

People keep telling me that ME is the largest map ever in a total war but I can't find any data on the area of the map compaired to like attila. Anyone know of the comparison data and where I can find it. I already checked wikipedia and it's not on there. Also I am not talking about settlements, I am talking about land area.

Here it is: Warhammer 1 map is around the same size as the Attila map, Mortal Empires map is over twice the size as Warhammer 1 map