Why is Grom fat but Skarsnik tiny?

[The Coal Man]

When I saw Grom I assumed goblins were like orcs and they grew bigger the more powerful they are, but how do you explain Skarsnik then? Is Grom literally just a goblin with an eating disorder or is Skarsnik runty for some reason?

[Elitewrecker PT]

Grom ate troll meat, that's all.

[Denveldon]

grom ate life trollflesh and it constantly regenerates in his stomach

[Mr Conspicuous]

Explain Hafthor Bjornsson's 6'9" 450lbs frame vs Alexander Volkanovksi's 5'6 145lbs frame... both humans but one is mountain other just a human.

[Red Dox]

Grom's meteoric rise began when, as a young Boss of the Broken Axe tribe, he consumed a portion of raw Troll. As Troll flesh regenerates and Grom, always a big eater, had not stopped to cook the meal, the foul meat writhed in his belly. The race to regrow, against the race to digest, was on. A lesser Goblin would have burst asunder, but Grom was made of sterner stuff. The Battle of the Belly, as the deed came to be known, changed Grom. He grew to prodigious size. It is said that on that day Grom last saw his own legs.

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Grom_the_Paunch


But there were also other big/fat Goblins in history,
https://us.v-cdn.net/5022456/uploads/editor/mm/mqqv32j51jtn.png
https://i.imgur.com/20iJXxI.png
without the troll eating incident. And the famous Orc Gorfang Rotgut for example has the nickname "Trolleater", since he likes to hunt and then eat trolls. But he got also no grow spurth or regeneration ability. So Grom is kinda unique for his regeneration mutation.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

so if eating live trollflesh increases the size of the consumer, wouldn't the orcs and goblins test or just straight up eat live trollflesh to increase their size? They are pretty big on the concept that bigger=better. Bad writing to make someone like grom, who just so happens to be the only greenskin to eat live troll meat (statistically, that seems to be an impossibility), and not have the greenskins look into refining (well, their version of the term) this "technology" to either have less powerful effects whilst making greenskins more powerful. We have a race that flings goblins at enemies and call it "artillery". There is NO WAY that a greenskin wouldn't take the chance to drastically increase their power, and this would be a common thing. Trolls would basically become squigs to the greenskins

Warhammer was always poorly written. The End Times just so abruptly changed things that people actually began to notice it

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Originally posted by Red Dox:

Grom's meteoric rise began when, as a young Boss of the Broken Axe tribe, he consumed a portion of raw Troll. As Troll flesh regenerates and Grom, always a big eater, had not stopped to cook the meal, the foul meat writhed in his belly. The race to regrow, against the race to digest, was on. A lesser Goblin would have burst asunder, but Grom was made of sterner stuff. The Battle of the Belly, as the deed came to be known, changed Grom. He grew to prodigious size. It is said that on that day Grom last saw his own legs.

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Grom_the_Paunch


But there were also other big/fat Goblins in history,
https://us.v-cdn.net/5022456/uploads/editor/mm/mqqv32j51jtn.png
https://i.imgur.com/20iJXxI.png
without the troll eating incident. And the famous Orc Gorfang Rotgut for example has the nickname "Trolleater", since he likes to hunt and then eat trolls. But he got also no grow spurth or regeneration ability. So Grom is kinda unique for his regeneration mutation.

the key point was that the flesh was still alive. A human doesn't maintain regeneration once brain function is gone. You'd have to take a chunk out of a troll that is still alive

[RecalledDread]

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

so if eating live trollflesh increases the size of the consumer, wouldn't the orcs and goblins test or just straight up eat live trollflesh to increase their size? They are pretty big on the concept that bigger=better. Bad writing to make someone like grom, who just so happens to be the only greenskin to eat live troll meat (statistically, that seems to be an impossibility), and not have the greenskins look into refining (well, their version of the term) this "technology" to either have less powerful effects whilst making greenskins more powerful. We have a race that flings goblins at enemies and call it "artillery". There is NO WAY that a greenskin wouldn't take the chance to drastically increase their power, and this would be a common thing. Trolls would basically become squigs to the greenskins

Warhammer was always poorly written. The End Times just so abruptly changed things that people actually began to notice it

I think other Goblins have.

From what I remember, he was tricked/dared into it, and expected to burst or die because the meat would keep regenerating inside of him. He didn't for some reason, and eventually levelled out to what he is now. Presumably digesting it as quickly as it's regenerating.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

so if eating live trollflesh increases the size of the consumer, wouldn't the orcs and goblins test or just straight up eat live trollflesh to increase their size?

Grom is a exception, the general rule when eating uncooked troll meat is that your stomach splits open and you die.

Daring Goblins to eat troll meat is sorta a Orc way to pass time, it generally results in messy but fun deaths.

[Abacus]

Originally posted by RecalledDread:

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

so if eating live trollflesh increases the size of the consumer, wouldn't the orcs and goblins test or just straight up eat live trollflesh to increase their size? They are pretty big on the concept that bigger=better. Bad writing to make someone like grom, who just so happens to be the only greenskin to eat live troll meat (statistically, that seems to be an impossibility), and not have the greenskins look into refining (well, their version of the term) this "technology" to either have less powerful effects whilst making greenskins more powerful. We have a race that flings goblins at enemies and call it "artillery". There is NO WAY that a greenskin wouldn't take the chance to drastically increase their power, and this would be a common thing. Trolls would basically become squigs to the greenskins

Warhammer was always poorly written. The End Times just so abruptly changed things that people actually began to notice it

I think other Goblins have. Part of Grom's backstory involves this.

From what I remember, he was tricked/dared into it, and expected to burst or die because the meat would keep regenerating inside of him. He didn't for some reason, and eventually levelled out to what he is now. Presumably digesting it as quickly as it's regenerating.

Well, this makes perfect sense when a lot of the magic in this universe is based off of sheer willpower and belief. I though he was a connoisseur of food iirc.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

But once again, we have goblins with the willpower to fling themselves into the enemy, to kill themselves for seemingly no reason. To erase such self-preservation instincts entirely requires A LOT of willpower. It is definitely possible that there are other goblins who are crazy enough to believe their metabolisms are strong enough to endure it. Or, as I said before, test different ingredients and ways to make the regeneration less potent, like maybe testing out troll diets to see what makes them regenerate faster or slower. It sounds technical, but in the greenskin's case, they'd just feed different trolls different things, cut a toe off, and see how fast it regenerates. Or, simply try a very malnourished troll, as they should have less healing abilities in general. Or, feed greenskins boar meat, yet convincing them its live troll flesh meat. There are many ways to do this considering how greenskins operate. They can become a tank if they believed themselves to be one (which, judging from 40k lore, doesn't take a lot). There is no way they can't use those same belief systems to convince their bodies to generate more potent stomach acids

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by Hax:

Explain Hafthor Bjornsson's 6'9" 450lbs frame vs Alexander Volkanovksi's 5'6 145lbs frame... both humans but one is mountain other just a human.

Well, I mean... one of the two has taken trucks of steroids.

I mean "trollmeat".

[RecalledDread]

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

But once again, we have goblins with the willpower to fling themselves into the enemy, to kill themselves for seemingly no reason. To erase such self-preservation instincts entirely requires A LOT of willpower. It is definitely possible that there are other goblins who are crazy enough to believe their metabolisms are strong enough to endure it. Or, as I said before, test different ingredients and ways to make the regeneration less potent, like maybe testing out troll diets to see what makes them regenerate faster or slower. It sounds technical, but in the greenskin's case, they'd just feed different trolls different things, cut a toe off, and see how fast it regenerates. Or, simply try a very malnourished troll, as they should have less healing abilities in general. Or, feed greenskins boar meat, yet convincing them its live troll flesh meat. There are many ways to do this considering how greenskins operate. They can become a tank if they believed themselves to be one (which, judging from 40k lore, doesn't take a lot). There is no way they can't use those same belief systems to convince their bodies to generate more potent stomach acids

It's possible they can only make themselves believe so much before they instinctively go "No, that's too much".
It's also possible it requires other means as a catalyst of sorts to make it happen, and Grom just happened to get the right circumstances. All Orks in 40k for example are psychic, they just can't access it directly except for 1 kind of Ork.

The killing themselves for no reasons is probably insanity/fanatacism. There are people that have that kind of behaviour too. Doesn't mean they can make themselves believe everything. If anything, they are very stuck in a particular set of beliefs.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

But once again, we have goblins with the willpower to fling themselves into the enemy, to kill themselves for seemingly no reason. To erase such self-preservation instincts entirely requires A LOT of willpower.

It would require a lot of willpower FOR A HUMAN.

Do not mistake Warhammer Fantasy Goblins and Orcs for humans, they have a very different mindset and very different instincts.

For example, a Greenskins lust for battle can overcome their survival instinct, in such a case its not a matter of willpower but rather clashing instincts (Something, at least in this case, a lot more rare in humans).

[The Coal Man]

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

But once again, we have goblins with the willpower to fling themselves into the enemy, to kill themselves for seemingly no reason. To erase such self-preservation instincts entirely requires A LOT of willpower.

you forget most goblins are high on shrooms and may not realize being fired out of a catapult is a death sentence and not just a quicker way to get to the fight

[THE_RaBiD_CanuK]

Greenskins grow in size proportionate to the amount of social power and followers they have. So a goblin with a big waaaggh under his leadership can become the size of an orc. Skarsnik is actually supposed to be the size of an orc. This is what they say in the book Skarsnik, anyway.