Savage orcs worth using in any army other than Wurrzag's?

[Googley Eye'd Bastard]

I am not just talking about when playing other greenskin LL's, in Wurrzag's ME campaign his personal army has become extremely strong and fun to use but I am finding little incentive to use Savage orcs outside of his army as the only global buff to them is the charge bonus which is large and I suppose savage orc cav is always worth it in that case.

Maybe if I use the unique missile resistance scrap upgrade but that is a lot of scrap for every army I want to raise.

Also does the hag make a ok duelist? Wurrzag doesn't do to well against other lords and it doesn't seem fitting to have a goblin big boss in a savage orc army.

[Selrach]

Savage orc have a 20% physical resistance (instead of armor) + frenzy, making them a better choice than their normal conterpart in general, especially against army with lot of armor piercing or heavy hitter.

And Hag aren't great duelist. They are spellcaster. They may do a lot of damage, but low moral, MD and MA make them easy to hit and dodge and route. And they are large, making them an even bigger target.
You can barely cycle charge them in melee because of the low leadership

[viryu9]

I'm currently doing another Wurzag run, this time post patch.

Army comp for other lords is all up to your personal preference. I do prefer thematic armies for flavour and RP reasons, but orc and goblin armies are ok as well. Savage orcs are still good when you can charge, just be advised all melee gets weaker on higher battle difficulties.

Wurzag's unique scrap upgrade on paper is really good, problem I found is that I always try to be on attack, and can easily cheese ammunition on single entities. Seems to be the best investment on your melee infantry though, especially if you don't try to cheese the AI. Archers should get reload, cav situational, but I prefer the armour/speed one. With 2 strider banners and upgrades they had 100 speed.

Wurzag is in my opinion the best caster there is. Using normal Foot of Gork with him can yield better results than overcharged Wind of Death for vampires. It's ridiculously cheap for him, I think it was 5-6 magic on a 26 sec cooldown? VS 3 stacks of TK I got 1500 kills on Wurzag casting only that spell. Savage Big Uns can deal with lords and whatever survives, especially that his magic attack for army now removed magic resistances, meaning you can ignore any physical/magical resistances.

[jonoliveira12]

No, just go up to Black Orcs with every other army.
Savage Orc Boar Boy Big'Uns are great, however, and you should use them in any army where you get the Riderz skill on the Lord.

Savage Orc Big'Uns are also decent, but never as good as just getting Stone Trolls or Black Orcs.
Even the regular Big'Uns can do their job just fine.

[Googley Eye'd Bastard]

Nguyên văn bởi Selrach:

And Hag aren't great duelist. They are spellcaster. They may do a lot of damage, but low moral, MD and MA make them easy to hit and dodge and route. And they are large, making them an even bigger target.
You can barely cycle charge them in melee because of the low leadership

Ok so the hag is just ment to fight infantry then right? It's just that I feel wurrzag needs a duelist hero in his army as he himself while not quite squishy can't take much of a beating. I don't wanna use a goblin big boss because well it just doesn't feel like it fits, I guess I'll just have to wait till the black orc boss gets released.

[Selrach]

Nguyên văn bởi Bubbles:

Ok so the hag is just ment to fight infantry then right? It's just that I feel wurrzag needs a duelist hero in his army as he himself while not quite squishy can't take much of a beating. I don't wanna use a goblin big boss because well it just doesn't feel like it fits, I guess I'll just have to wait till the black orc boss gets released.

Well goblin big boss actually make decent duellist especialy once you unlock the "slippery" skill.

Lore wise it make sense to sent a crazy gobo lieutnant to kill/stab your ennemy from behind rather than having a bigger/stronger orc than you doing your fighting. Because in this case the bigger orc will probably try to kill you to become chieftain himself.
Orc meritocracy and all that...

[Googley Eye'd Bastard]

Nguyên văn bởi Selrach:

Nguyên văn bởi Bubbles:

Ok so the hag is just ment to fight infantry then right? It's just that I feel wurrzag needs a duelist hero in his army as he himself while not quite squishy can't take much of a beating. I don't wanna use a goblin big boss because well it just doesn't feel like it fits, I guess I'll just have to wait till the black orc boss gets released.

Well goblin big boss actually make decent duellist especialy once you unlock the "slippery" skill.

Lore wise it make sense to sent a crazy gobo lieutnant to kill/stab your ennemy from behind rather than having a bigger/stronger orc than you doing your fighting. Because in this case the bigger orc will probably try to kill you to become chieftain himself.
Orc meritocracy and all that...

True if this was a regular greenskin tribe but I read that savage tribes are always lead by shaman big bosses, thats not to say the shamans can't krump each other and take over but as I understand it any musclebound orc can't just takeover a savage tribes lorewise.

[CHAIN BREAKER]

They are fine and in early-mid they wreck armies even better than regular boys, but if you not playing as Great Green Dancer, you better get to black boys when you can. As Wurrzag you can forget about them, until you start to see 4 squads of Tier 4 in enemy armies regularly.

[THE_RaBiD_CanuK]

Wurrzag isn't a melee lord, of course he won't do well up against other lords. He's not bad against basic infantry, though. Use his spells to buff your troops. Buff their melee and they will shred everything. His magic is pretty solid.