Shadow Warriors Suck

[yuzhonglu]

They run out of ammo, and then they become useless. No staying power. You need equal numbers of shadow warriors to win against any enemy.

They also totally suck at sieges. Armies of skaven slaves slingers outperform them for equivalent cost.

[Lain]

i dont use them too often, because soa are 5x better anyway
but surely they have enough ammo to take out 1 unit of skaven slingers lol

even so 20 stack of DE bleakswords & dreadshards? against 10 shadow warriors, your going to straight up lose unless you have some good solid light magic and sacrificing a unit or 2 to get them to blob and slow down while you shoot them down

[kekkuli]

You don't really need to use shadow warriors after a certain point, or don't use them at all. Sisters are op af and should be used when you get them imo. Normal archers do just fine until that.

[zefyris]

Bear in mind, OP is someone that thinks the superior tactics for Bretonnian armies is to mass treb. And someone who doesn't see any problem with his strategy when asking to fight twice+ their numbers of SILVER SHIELDED enemy with arrows, AFTER having his units already waste ammos on the enemy rangeds...

If a skirmisher unit shoot at a unit poursuing them, that means that units is facing the skirmisher and that therefore their shields always work.
Basically considering that they killed their ranged counterpart beforehands, and that there was almost twice the amount of bleakwsword compared to them, your shadow warrior would each need to have enough ammo to kill around FIVE tier 1 unit (you need twice the amount of arrows against a silver shield facing you, they need to kill almost two of them each, and they also needed to kill one unit of ranged, that probably returned fire so they're firing at the melee with an even lower model count).


While being only a t3 units that gets part of its cost from having 360° fire, stalk and fire while moving. And a cost that is only slighly above 1/3rd more than their t1 darkshard enemies.
Bleakswords are literally made to face tank your arrows, and they're twice as numerous, why did you think you could win?.

[wrought82]

tthings like stalk and vanguard deployment are fairly useless in most instances because units have so much hitpoints and so little damage and the abilities dont seem to matter much in the way of damage bonus; so getting first or a surprise attack doesnt offer much in terms of combat value and limited tactical value since you are unlikely to have done much damage before enemies can swoop down on your revealed position.
But the game will value these abilities quite highly and so the cost of shadow warriors is much higher than it'd be without these abilities. that means that in a battle where the respective cost of units matter you should (generally) only buy units with those abilities if you intend to use them,ie only a few that you place to take out artillery or attack from the back - and even then they likely arent worth their cost since flying or even cavalry can achieve much the same and seems to affect cost less.

but yeah as frontline forces they are overcosted - dont use them as frontline if you use them at all.

In campaign cost matters A LOT less so just use whatever works and you find fun

[James Howlette]

Breaking News: Ranged Unit Becomes Useless When Out of Ammo

[Mardagg]

I am surprised that no one did ask op about his battle difficulty.

[Zane87]

They are no mainline archers and are not meant as such. They still are better than the basic archers but for the general purpose pew-pew, Sisters are much better.

They are skirmishers and excel at safely taking out artillery/specific backline targets. They also have poison arrow effect, which means they weaken all enemies they shoot, which helps your other units and they have 360° shooting arc, which means in a defensive line of archers, they can secure your flanks from approaching cavalry/missile cavalry/flyers.

They don't suck. OP, you use them wrong. Don't use them wrong.

[A.Pot]

This seems like another post about "I am using a unit wrong so it must suck"

[Dr. Uncredible]

It´s Youzho, he does doomstacks, if a unit is unfit for doomstacking, it´s useless to him. *shrugs*

[Inardesco]

Git

Gud

[wrought82]

do the ppl ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on OP consider shadow warriors staple unit choices? even if they arent supposed to be the bulk of the army they dont have abilities that should make them entirely unfit for that role stalk and vanguard should add something like 5% each at most to cost, But try fighting shadow guard vs comparable nonstalk units -10% and you still get your ass handed to you. they are overcosted thus OP is correct even if his reasoning lacks a few steps

[A.Pot]

Originally posted by wrought82:

But try fighting shadow guard vs comparable nonstalk units

Found another one

[wrought82]

it never ceases to amaze me how few people are actually capable of rational thought.

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by wrought82:

do the ppl ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on OP consider shadow warriors staple unit choices? even if they arent supposed to be the bulk of the army they dont have abilities that should make them entirely unfit for that role stalk and vanguard should add something like 5% each at most to cost, But try fighting shadow guard vs comparable nonstalk units -10% and you still get your ass handed to you. they are overcosted thus OP is correct even if his reasoning lacks a few steps

You really ought to use them better lol.

Always have a couple of bait units in the form of melee that will attract the enemy army. Then you sneak up behind the enemy, take out their artillery and start killing their melee line from the rear where no amount of shields can ♥♥♥♥ you over.

[A.Pot]

Originally posted by wrought82:

it never ceases to amaze me how few people are actually capable of rational thought.

Says the person throwing a skirmisher unit at other skirmishers. The whole point of skirmishers is to sneak behind the enemy lines and attack things like artillery or shoot at stuff from the flanks or the rear. Sure you can use them to fight off other skirmishers but that is not really their intended purpose.