Total War: WARHAMMER II

Total War: WARHAMMER II

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robert.s_a May 22, 2020 @ 4:15pm
So...what are you supposed to do in Imrik's early game?
Seems fairly simple on paper. Use the early game dragon princes with the usual high elf spearmen/archers, do those dragon events when you get them, spam the hell out of that mage you start off with.

However...the moment I even see Eshin on the map, everything hits a brick wall. They declare war on me instantly (I've tested three campaigns, the second they meet my faction, they declare war, every single time), and I'm completely helpless against them. They move far faster than i ever could with the underway, and the chance of intercepting is so pathetic that it seems save scumming is the only way to deal with it. Imrik doesn't have anything like that, and I'm constantly stuck trying to stop them from taking my settlements, only to use the underway to move around and immediately take another one. Every time I destroy a 20 stack, they have two more on the other side of the province I'm currently on, either raiding, taking a settlement, or both. And while all this happens, Im not getting any income whatsoever.

In battle, its not much better. The armor piercing night runners tear everything I have to shreds, and the Dragon Princes do absolutely nothing. Did they get a nerf or something lately? I havent played High Elves for a while, but I remember Dragon Princes being at least semi-competent shock cavalry. Every time I charge them, they just bounce off, get swarmed, and die in droves. And this is against Skaven. If this is how they fare against early game Skaven, what are they supposed to do against stuff like Dark Elves and Dwarfs? Anti-Infantry doesn't seem very good when said cavalry isn't supposed to stay in prolonged combat.

So yeah, how do you deal with Imrik's early game? Later on he seems pretty good, but getting there looks to be impossible when Eshin can walk through walls and create 20 stacks in two turns.

Its honestly getting to the point I'm seriously tempted to outright use a cheat mod just so i can get rid of Eshin and play this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ campaign properly.
Last edited by robert.s_a; May 22, 2020 @ 4:16pm
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ZyleZuin May 22, 2020 @ 5:09pm 
Use the green skin faction to your advantage. Ishin will wipe them out pretty quickly. So what I did is ignored the diplomacy penalty for crossing their lands and just waited for death master to walk by. Declared war and wiped out their good stack (with the starting high tier units). By saving the green skins they will actually be able to get an army stack up and will go on the offense against the skaven. Ishin can make will be slaves so its pretty easy with the help to go and mop up their 2 settlements. Then go backstab the orcs and you’re off to the races.

That said it is a tough start. Between the two skaven, DE, dwarf, and green skins you are totally surrounded and have zero allies. I was able to trade with Court of Lybaras which helped in the 40 turn region. Currently dealing with a Grimgor Waaag...

This worked for me on VH/VH difficulty. Hope it helps.
EroticOnion23 May 22, 2020 @ 5:17pm 
Imrik is bustedly op right now...he's like Lu Bu in TW3K and can solo (certainly) early skaven armies. Win the first dragon fight that shows up and you get a free upgraded fire drake. You can then just flame breath the stormvermin and terror rout anything skitch throws at you...
rory.b.p May 22, 2020 @ 5:18pm 
Okay so I got wiped very early in my first campaign by eshin also, snikitchs ambush mechanic was a pain.

Second play through and I am well past early game, basically what I did was capture the remaining provinces in your territory ASAP I think it takes 3-5 turns can't remember but you can do it very fast.
Prioritize growth and garrison buidlings focusing on getting the province closest to eshin that isn't your capital to tier 3 walls as fast as possible.
Manually fight these battles to ensure it is always at least a decisive victory and maximize your exp.

Your dwarf enemies should now have 1 town left, go and sack it and keep sacking it until you get lightning strike (again if auto won't give you a decisive victory then manually fight it.)
Once you get lightning strike offer the dwarves peace they should accept and will give you some cash, leaving them alive is important because they will hold out for some turns as a buffer vs further skaven enemies and in my second playthrough Grimgor who was spamming stacks faster than skaven.

Now fast march to your province closest to eshin you should make it barely before the first 3 - 4 stacks show up.
Sit in the town and recruit and from here on instead of chasing eshin (you do not want to get caught in the open by snikitch as he will get an ambush on you after force marching multiple stacks to support).
If you got to a tier 3 wall by now snikitch will siege and this is why you sat in the settlement.. start by lightning striking his army and killing him.
Rinse and repeat it took my about 4 turns to weather eshin enough to launch the counter attack, it is very easy to beat them then once you are on the offensive in their territory, aim to destroy them by turn 20 ish because you will need to do a U-turn fast and get back to the western front.

It is tempting to go for the dragon early but even if you get an easy dragon its not worth the damage your early game army will take so leave it be until at Eshin are almost wiped.

BTW if you taught Eshin were a pain in the ass you are going to love the push west.... it really sucks having a faction with Mountains as a favoured habitat that can not tunnel, the orcs, dwarves and skaven will run circles around you and you will be playing whack a mole for some time.

I know some players who just abandoned the badlands as soon as they got the confederation event, if you hate chasing armies this might be the better option for you once you have wiped eshin.
Last edited by rory.b.p; May 22, 2020 @ 5:18pm
Sarcastro May 22, 2020 @ 5:22pm 
Only thing I really hate about the campaign is that nearby ports do not open up trade with other ports. This really sucks as a elf faction.
Asmo May 22, 2020 @ 5:28pm 
Originally posted by EroticOnion23:
Imrik is bustedly op right now...he's like Lu Bu in TW3K and can solo (certainly) early skaven armies. Win the first dragon fight that shows up and you get a free upgraded fire drake. You can then just flame breath the stormvermin and terror rout anything skitch throws at you...
The dragon you get is random, i just got my first dragon Encounter and its the Wood/Forest Dragon, with wood elf army and wood elf reinforcements, good luck taking that on with an early game army. Edit: maybe that save scumming the turn you are going to get it changes what dragon you'll get but cmon, the buffs they provide and they will apear again later are also pretty nice tbh.
Last edited by Asmo; May 22, 2020 @ 5:29pm
robert.s_a May 22, 2020 @ 5:33pm 
Originally posted by EroticOnion23:
Imrik is bustedly op right now...he's like Lu Bu in TW3K and can solo (certainly) early skaven armies. Win the first dragon fight that shows up and you get a free upgraded fire drake. You can then just flame breath the stormvermin and terror rout anything skitch throws at you...


Do you have him on or off his horse? He doesn't seem like anything special while on it.


Also, its less that I cant beat the Skaven armies (though I would welcome any advice on that front), Its more the fact that theres just so many of them. And by the time im able to catch or intercept a stack, theres two more raiding and taking all my money/settlements.

Its like chasing Road Runner if Road Runner was constantly duplicating himself every time I caught him.
Last edited by robert.s_a; May 22, 2020 @ 5:46pm
EroticOnion23 May 22, 2020 @ 6:07pm 
Originally posted by robert.s_a:
Originally posted by EroticOnion23:
Imrik is bustedly op right now...he's like Lu Bu in TW3K and can solo (certainly) early skaven armies. Win the first dragon fight that shows up and you get a free upgraded fire drake. You can then just flame breath the stormvermin and terror rout anything skitch throws at you...


Do you have him on or off his horse? He doesn't seem like anything special while on it.


Also, its less that I cant beat the Skaven armies (though I would welcome any advice on that front), Its more the fact that theres just so many of them. And by the time im able to catch or intercept a stack, theres two more raiding and taking all my money/settlements.

Its like chasing Road Runner if Road Runner was constantly duplicating himself every time I caught him.


I always build max fortifications on every settlement before moving on, idk if you do but I find that essential on any legendary playthrough...
robert.s_a May 22, 2020 @ 6:08pm 
Originally posted by EroticOnion23:
Originally posted by robert.s_a:


Do you have him on or off his horse? He doesn't seem like anything special while on it.


Also, its less that I cant beat the Skaven armies (though I would welcome any advice on that front), Its more the fact that theres just so many of them. And by the time im able to catch or intercept a stack, theres two more raiding and taking all my money/settlements.

Its like chasing Road Runner if Road Runner was constantly duplicating himself every time I caught him.


I always build max fortifications on every settlement before moving on, idk if you do but I find that essential on any legendary playthrough...


Im only on Hard.
EroticOnion23 May 22, 2020 @ 6:10pm 
Originally posted by Asmo/Bunta:
Originally posted by EroticOnion23:
Imrik is bustedly op right now...he's like Lu Bu in TW3K and can solo (certainly) early skaven armies. Win the first dragon fight that shows up and you get a free upgraded fire drake. You can then just flame breath the stormvermin and terror rout anything skitch throws at you...
The dragon you get is random, i just got my first dragon Encounter and its the Wood/Forest Dragon, with wood elf army and wood elf reinforcements, good luck taking that on with an early game army. Edit: maybe that save scumming the turn you are going to get it changes what dragon you'll get but cmon, the buffs they provide and they will apear again later are also pretty nice tbh.

Oh is it? I got the fire drake first, maybe that was easier than the other drakes. I go pretty heavy archer armies tho, so I just kited it to death... :/
Ashley May 22, 2020 @ 6:12pm 
Rush lighting strike, get a scout, move then ambush stance far enough away. I had this happen as well but with completely garbage armies. Snitch was running 3 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ armies with one settlement. And he would just backcap everything.

You think he's bad wait until grimgor comes down on ya. He was confeding like every 5 turns and up to 20 settlements by turn 50. Of course mutiple factions from all directions declared war on him but the sheer numbers of armies greenskins pump out and how fast they do it is damn crazy.
Last edited by Ashley; May 22, 2020 @ 6:14pm
i killed off hellhein and bumrushed the eshin's capital
Guts May 22, 2020 @ 6:37pm 
I sincerely hope you're joking. Early game skaven are pin cushions for your archers, brush for your dragonfire, and a minor speed bump for your dragon princes. It sounds like you're horribly mismanaging combat. Try slowing down or pausing.

As for on the campaign map - yes - if you let Snikch reign free he'll harass you. He's your first priority, after that it's pretty much smooth sailing since you get dragon princes available to recruit at TIER 3(!!!). What you want to try and do is swiftly beat the dwarf faction down to their last settlement. Repeatedly sack that settlement until you've leveled enough to gain lightning strike. The orc faction should be able to hold Snikch off. Don't show yourself to him, he will declare on your ass. Now peace out with the dwarves because you need that last settlement of theirs to be a buffer against the northern skaven faction. Go back to your original province and load up on spears/archers. Your wizard should be keeping an eye on snikch at this point.

All that's left is to go kill the ninja rat. He's trapped in his corner, you have lightning strike, enough arrows to blot out the sun and a dragon / dragon princes to make it that much easier. Stomp him, stomp the orc faction, and you've secured a strong base to start out from in a snug corner of the map. From then on it's your decision where to go.
Asmo May 23, 2020 @ 1:46am 
Originally posted by EroticOnion23:
Originally posted by Asmo/Bunta:
The dragon you get is random, i just got my first dragon Encounter and its the Wood/Forest Dragon, with wood elf army and wood elf reinforcements, good luck taking that on with an early game army. Edit: maybe that save scumming the turn you are going to get it changes what dragon you'll get but cmon, the buffs they provide and they will apear again later are also pretty nice tbh.

Oh is it? I got the fire drake first, maybe that was easier than the other drakes. I go pretty heavy archer armies tho, so I just kited it to death... :/
I tried, but yeah wood elves are a pain to fight. I think the star dragon is gonna be the hardest one to fight, them dragons worth it though
SKY May 23, 2020 @ 4:05am 
You talking about Vortex or Mortal campaign?
Last edited by SKY; May 23, 2020 @ 11:48am
Big Moustache May 23, 2020 @ 4:19am 
Instead of chasing stacks that use underways, sit in ambush before a targeted settlement. Works like a charm and even good auto resolve this way
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