Settra the Perishable

[Nathaniel Prime]

I really like Settra in the lore, but I tried the campaign as him and his faction is seems by far the weakest starting faction of any faction in any Total War game I've ever played. Here's the catch - I only like the strategic aspect and not the tactical one, so I auto-battle everything. I've tried building only military buildings, but even then I am pretty easily outclassed by factions of mortals. No matter what I do, I seem to be -exactly- as strong as every other Tomb King faction too, such that neither of us can ever win a siege against the other.

Tips? Tricks? Are Tomb Kings just a faction you really need to play the battles manually to get anywhere with, or are there perhaps better Tomb Kings factions available? I like Arkhan even more than Settra in the lore but the campaign faction selector describes his difficulty as hard.

[Saint]

Fight your battles.

[harry]

when first starting off and you got your starting region, declare war on the enemy tomb king of choice then ambush their army while in ur land then go for their castle when there is no one defending it. bring a second army if you have it just dont let them sit inside their castles cuz u wont take anything on auto

[A.Pot]

Learn to manually fight the battles. Auto Resolve can and often does screw you over hard

[RCMidas]

Especially since the vast majority of early Tomb Kings troops are extremely poor - and the autoresolve knows this - and must therefore be used properly and manually in order to maximise the efficacy of your superior units.

[Harmania]

I really like Settra in the lore, but I tried the campaign as him and his faction is seems by far the weakest starting faction of any faction in any Total War game I've ever played.

He has a decently rough start, but he's far from the weakest faction in TWW2.

Here's the catch - I only like the strategic aspect and not the tactical one, so I auto-battle everything.

That's not a catch, that's sabotage, auto-battle is intentionally designed to be biased so that you can't auto-resolve every conflict. It's simply not viable to spam-click the auto-resolve button.

I seem to be -exactly- as strong as every other Tomb King faction too, such that neither of us can ever win a siege against the other.

That would likely be because you are. You can cheese the system by building structures for high-tier units like Hierotitans, then destroying them, or focus on rushing down the enemy generals and focus on assaulting leadership, rather than health.

Tomb Kings as a whole, are virtually indestructable if their empires are left intact, so sabotaging, damaging, and razing things hurts them a lot.

Tips? Tricks?

Tomb Kings have a universally difficult early-game, however, as their armies are divorced from economy, they will progressively, and infinitely scale. Due to that, they enjoy playing defensively, getting trade deals, and focusing on building up a small core empire until they can field powerful constructs, then start expanding. Make use of your crafting system, and dynasty lords.

I like Arkhan even more than Settra in the lore but the campaign faction selector describes his difficulty as hard.

Personally, I find Arkhan easier than Settra. I wouldn't take the difficulty of a start as being too important though, it just means it's less forgiving of misplays before you get a foothold.

[wrought82]

campaign map WH is a god awful game, i cant imagine playing this just for that^^
Thats like playing WoW because of your passion for collecting flowers

Tomb kings are extremely strong and easy if you fight battles with chariots. i dont really know how autoresolve works, quick google says it favors ranged units heavily and high hitpoints, charge and move over other stats (why they would build it on stats rather than gold value is absolutely beyond me but ok), so maybe try ranged armies and see if that tips the scales - or start playing the game?

[eatonpye]

I'm pretty new to TWW but I do really like Tomb Kings. If you take the province away from the Topknots and complete your own province, you should be able to build enough armies and some good units to take on the other Tomb Kings, but luring them out to battle in the field is a lot better than assaulting their capitals with them inside.

[Nathaniel Prime]

Man, that sucks. Earlier total war games were balanced so that you could auto-battle if you wanted to. It wasn't as effective as fighting manually, but in, say, Empire, playing with auto-battle only was a valid choice, akin to putting the strategic difficulty and speed on a higher setting.

Originally posted by al_potenciano:

Learn to manually fight the battles.

Like I said, I don't find manual battles to be the least bit interesting.

Originally posted by wrought82:

campaign map WH is a god awful game, i cant imagine playing this just for that^^
Thats like playing WoW because of your passion for collecting flowers

Sounds like it. Earlier Total War games were fun on a campaign map level, doesn't seem to have been a priority at all for the devs for this one though.

Thanks!

[wrought82]

earlier TW were also awful campaign even for the standard 20 years ago. campaign is a shell for context for your battles its like 10% of the game in TW,
You can autoresolve about as well as you always could in this game, but yeah obviously you're gonna have a hard time getting the upper hand with identical armies which makes TK harder because the neighbours dont lose strength from losing settlements in the same way other factions do. Still, get 2 armies asap, use one army to pin their settlement+army, then use the other army to take out their second army, then wait for the autoresolve to be postive. and like i said focus ranged units to improve your autoresolve.

But really, this game is about the battles, it has almost negative value without that aspect

[Saint]

Yeah. There's games out there that focus much more on the strategy than the tactics. This iteration probably isn't for you.

[Scar Glamour]

I have played entire campaigns where I manually found a dozen battles tops start to finish, so going auto-resolve-only in Warhammer is absolutely doable.

Tomb Kings early troops are trash, but they are absolutely free. Until you get get better units (and more armies) you should make extensive use of the ambush stance. AI is utterly oblivious of your ambushing lords and can ride stack after stack into the very same trap. Using weaker armies or poorly defended cities as bait makes ambushing AI lords absolutely trivial.

Just make sure that in case the ambush fails you have enough troops to actually fight and win or enough space to retreat safely.

[Android Poetry]

You should look for some mods that can help in this area. What if you didn't fight the battles, but just watched the AI fight them for you? Your chances would still be much better and you wouldn't have to do anything different, just watch. I believe such a mod exists.

[Harmania]

Originally posted by Nathaniel Prime:

Man, that sucks. Earlier total war games were balanced so that you could auto-battle if you wanted to. It wasn't as effective as fighting manually, but in, say, Empire, playing with auto-battle only was a valid choice, akin to putting the strategic difficulty and speed on a higher setting.

Originally posted by al_potenciano:

Learn to manually fight the battles.

Like I said, I don't find manual battles to be the least bit interesting.

Originally posted by wrought82:

campaign map WH is a god awful game, i cant imagine playing this just for that^^
Thats like playing WoW because of your passion for collecting flowers

Sounds like it. Earlier Total War games were fun on a campaign map level, doesn't seem to have been a priority at all for the devs for this one though.

Thanks!

How fun the campaign map is depends on which race and faction you play. Some, like, Beastmen, are really all about fighting. while others, like Clan Eshin, have a lot of tricks for getting by without actually fighting.

[Agemouk]

Originally posted by Nathaniel Prime:

Here's the catch - I only like the strategic aspect and not the tactical one, so I auto-battle everything.

Install the Spectator Mode mod, in deployment turn it on, turn the game speed to max, go, make yourself a coffee,

and then come back. Watch some pretty visuals, win.

Tomb Kings early game perform significantly better if the battle is played out, even if you just let the AI play it for you.

[Gorwe]

Settra really is probably the weakest TK LL. Allow me to explain:

-> Not a caster: This isn't as important on other races, but as a TK, you can basically use your skellies as a buffer to position your Vortices properly. Arkhan and Khatep pull this off beautifully. You, meanwhile, have trash which is just means to an end, but you don't really have any tricks to really pull off.

-> Starting position: While both Khatep and Arkhan start off rather easily and are given all the opportunities to take off, Settra is surrounded on all sides and, even worse, by Bretonnia(which counters you so hard in early game). Khalida is touch and go, she can be easy too, if you pay attention. But it's the Thunderdome, if you're not paying attention...

Also, if the only thing you like about Total Warhammer is the Grand Strategy part...perhaps you could try "Geheimnisnacht" mod for Crusader Kings.