How would you make Demon Princes to work in TWW3?

[Aksolotli]

For me. The Demon Prince is a Lord unlock at level 30-40lvl (TWW3 will prop go up to 50lvl)
Like a Dragon or Steed mount but instead of getting the dragon the Lord is just replaced with Demon Lord that inheriths everything the lord had.

What do you think?

[Kaaz]

pass on that one, that'd make them irrelevant for the good part of campaigns. id want them as normal leveling from 1-whatever

[Aksolotli]

Originally posted by Kaaz:

pass on that one, that'd make them irrelevant for the good part of campaigns. id want them as normal leveling from 1-whatever

Demon Princes aren't like Ancient Slanss you keep spawning every 10 turns.

[THE_RaBiD_CanuK]

I could see that working, but I would have it unlock at an earlier level, like 20.

[Aksolotli]

Originally posted by THE_RaBiD_CanuK:

I could see that working, but I would have it unlock at an earlier level, like 20.

It should be 40-50lvl at max. Demon Princes are demigods and not some dragons or giants.

[Kaaz]

Originally posted by Aksolotli:

Originally posted by Kaaz:

pass on that one, that'd make them irrelevant for the good part of campaigns. id want them as normal leveling from 1-whatever

Demon Princes aren't like Ancient Slanss you keep spawning every 10 turns.

and ancient slaan's aren't supposed to be spawned like they are, concessions have to be made for the sake of gameplay

[Aksolotli]

Originally posted by Kaaz:

Originally posted by Aksolotli:

Demon Princes aren't like Ancient Slanss you keep spawning every 10 turns.

and ancient slaan's aren't supposed to be spawned like they are, concessions for the sake of gameplay

If you have 5 Demon Princes by turn 50 thats stupid in gameplay sake. Even at Turn 200 you should only have 1-3 Demon Princes from 20 armies.

[THE_RaBiD_CanuK]

Originally posted by Aksolotli:

Originally posted by THE_RaBiD_CanuK:

I could see that working, but I would have it unlock at an earlier level, like 20.

It should be 40-50lvl at max. Demon Princes are demigods and not some dragons or giants.

Waiting till level 40-50 just isn't fun from a gameplay perspective. In my last campaign, the game was over by the time my lord hit 40.

[Aksolotli]

Originally posted by THE_RaBiD_CanuK:

Originally posted by Aksolotli:

It should be 40-50lvl at max. Demon Princes are demigods and not some dragons or giants.

Waiting till level 40-50 just isn't fun from a gameplay perspective. In my last campaign, the game was over by the time my lord hit 40.

Then i'm sorry for you. I'm never half way through when i have Lords at 30-40levels

[Conflagration]

Daemon Princes aren't demigods. They're just humans that got turned into daemons. A proper Daemon like a Bloodthirster or Lord of Change are more powerful.

[Kaaz]

Originally posted by Aksolotli:

Originally posted by Kaaz:

and ancient slaan's aren't supposed to be spawned like they are, concessions for the sake of gameplay

If you have 5 Demon Princes by turn 50 thats stupid in gameplay sake. Even at Turn 200 you should only have 1-3 Demon Princes from 20 armies.

why? its chaos, they have as many deamon princes as they need. not all deamon princes have to be at the level of be'lakor.

greater deamons if anything should be the limited one, princes are just minions that grew for their god and avoided becoming chaos spawn along the line.

[RCMidas]

Archaon even has a skill which basically acknowledges that at this point, he is a Daemon Prince (he can unlock it around level 16-17 I think). You can happily add a transformation effect to generics ala Malus when they ascend to a similar level of power (probably around level 22, hell maybe even requiring basic Immortality as a prerequisite), or alter their model as if being provided with a mount for the same.

[Hieronymous]

Would like to see the chaos lord models mutate every few levels to represent their progress.

[luci-27master]

Originally posted by Aksolotli:

Originally posted by THE_RaBiD_CanuK:

Waiting till level 40-50 just isn't fun from a gameplay perspective. In my last campaign, the game was over by the time my lord hit 40.

Then i'm sorry for you. I'm never half way through when i have Lords at 30-40levels

You have to look at it from an general view, most players aren't like us and play 300 turns. While yes it would be nice for players like us if the DP were to be unlocked at lvl 30 as an reward(Wich would also be satisfying af), but it wouldn't be as much enjoyable for other(majority of ) players who don't have so much patience or time for each campaign.

That's why I would suggest that the the transformation from chaos champion to DP would be an unlockable skill at lvl 15-25, just like dragon mounts

Or as an reward at the end of an skill chain Wich is dedicated to one particular chaos god(Wich ofc excludes the other chains for the other chaos gods)

[Greymene]

There is no reason why a Demon Prince should not be available from the beginning of the game. Its not like no mortal has ever been elevated into Daemonhood and you need to make the very first one (at lvl. 30 or 50 or whatever), there are already plenty of such creatures in the Warhammer World (or, more correctly, in the warp and which can be summoned into the world). Just like you don't have to "give birth" to an Ancient Spawn and raise it to old age and wisdom before you can recruit it.

[Fryskar]

Originally posted by luci-27master:

Originally posted by Aksolotli:

Then i'm sorry for you. I'm never half way through when i have Lords at 30-40levels

You have to look at it from an general view, most players aren't like us and play 300 turns. While yes it would be nice for players like us if the DP were to be unlocked at lvl 30 as an reward(Wich would also be satisfying af), but it wouldn't be as much enjoyable for other(majority of ) players who don't have so much patience or time for each campaign.

That's why I would suggest that the the transformation from chaos champion to DP would be an unlockable skill at lvl 15-25, just like dragon mounts

Or as an reward at the end of an skill chain Wich is dedicated to one particular chaos god(Wich ofc excludes the other chains for the other chaos gods)

I often consider a campaign "won" around 150-200. After that only a large round of mopping up is left (ME).

I'm all for a high level mount like level, so 20-25. Or even before.

Originally posted by Hieronymous:

Would like to see the chaos lord models mutate every few levels to represent their progress.

also sounds fine.