Does anyone actually start a Dwarf campaign with Thorgrim?

[RattyRyan]

Sure Thorgrim has some nice faction effects but I feel getting Grombrindal's ancestor ability and filling out his blue line early is just better overall than minor upkeep reduction on longbeards... Am I missing something? Grombrindal should probably be his own faction, all in good time I suppose seeing as Ungrim finally got his slayer keep.

[Andrewbh2003]

tbh i am guilty of this too last time i started a dwarf campaign as thorgrim was before grombrindal existed

if i want a unique start i play ungrim

if i want a challenge i play belegar

if i want to be OP AF i play gromb also his buffs make the REALLY difficult first 30 turns of a dwarf campaign much much more managable +10 MA/MD for entire army is nuts combined with lighting strike means you can skip longbeards entirely and just stick with cheap miners allowing your econ to blossom and then eventually just go doomstack ironbreaker mode

[luci-27master]

Gromb could start in the far north in karaz drak, or if TWW3 releases could he start in the far east next to ogres

[RattyRyan]

Originally posted by luci-27master:

Gromb could start in the far north in karaz drak, or if TWW3 releases could he start in the far east next to ogres

The thing is Grom has a factionwide weapon bonus vs elves. Sure you'd probably just restart the war of the beard for the memes but he should probably be in a better position to take advantage of that bonus. Maybe he could be on some expedition that would take him to Nagarrond or Lustria.

[Dreagon]

I do when I don't want to start with an OP lord.

[RattyRyan]

Originally posted by Dreagon:

I do when I don't want to start with an OP lord.

From what I understand the consensus is that Grombrindal is far more powerful as both a battle and campaign lord so maybe you could elaborate on what you find OP about Thorgrim?

[Gorwe]

Grom just has too good of a start and the other two are unique, so...no reason to take Thor imo. Unless you want to have challenge or to be kind loreful, to play as a Dwarf main protagonist.

[zefyris]

I think all 4 are good.
The upkeep reduction is pretty strong imo.

But I wouldn't say no to see grombrindal getting his own faction nonetheless, as such things are always welcome for sure.

[nord2hammer]

Originally posted by RattyRyan:

Originally posted by Dreagon:

I do when I don't want to start with an OP lord.

From what I understand the consensus is that Grombrindal is far more powerful as both a battle and campaign lord so maybe you could elaborate on what you find OP about Thorgrim?

....He's saying that he starts Thorgrim "when I don't want to start with an OP lord"

[Gorwe]

Originally posted by zefyris:

I think all 4 are good.
The upkeep reduction is pretty strong imo.

But I wouldn't say no to see grombrindal getting his own faction nonetheless, as such things are always welcome for sure.

I like Ungrim(Slayer King) the best, but objectivelly, I believe Angrund gives the best experience. Unless you're itching for an easy playthrough. Triply so if you decide to pick Grom.

[Ulfgard the Unmaker]

Originally posted by RattyRyan:

The thing is Grom has a factionwide weapon bonus vs elves. Sure you'd probably just restart the war of the beard

This is the distinction, for me. I start with Thorgrim when I mean to play a typical campaign, and Grombrindal when I feel the itch to focus on the War of Vengeance Round 2. Not that I ever don't want to fight the knife-ears, but when it's the point of the campaign from the very beginning, Grombrindal is the pick. Otherwise, I start with Thorgrim because I prefer his starting troops.

As for Ungrim, he's pretty dope too, but I almost never start with him. I would argue that he suffers most from being, effectively, Grombrindal-lite.