Treemen Any Good?

[yuzhonglu]

Just need a tanky frontline for the masses of Averlorn Sisters in the back.

[Incubo]

Treemen without support won't be able to hold out forever.

If your going for a tanky front line I would suggest 4 dryads with at least 4 lothern sea guard (shields are better but not needed). Throw in 2 treemen and you should have a secure front line and spear units to defend any possible flank attacks. Go crazy with 9 Averlorn sisters from there.

Throw in some heals and your dryad/treemen front line should hold out against most early-mid game infantry/monsters.

[Cacomistle]

I think treekin are better. Cost less, get them earlier, and they have more models so they can block more enemies.

But if you just want a front line, you're best options are probably sea guard cause they can also shoot. And they're comparatively very cheap.

Or if you have enough hero slots, handmaidens especially incindiary are the best. Mass sisters shoots down everything before it gets close, so one of the only major threats is artillery. And if you've got say 2-3 HMs in an army, you can snipe an artillery piece or 2, get them to run into you out of range of their artillery, then kill their army before artillery is even in range.

The problem with treemen is they get no tech or army buffs, except for Allarielles army where its still only army buffs and not super impressive. Even on wood elves, treekin are way tankier in a treeman lords army.

[Cacomistle]

Originalmente postado por Incubo:

Treemen without support won't be able to hold out forever.

If your going for a tanky front line I would suggest 4 dryads with at least 4 lothern sea guard (shields are better but not needed). Throw in 2 treemen and you should have a secure front line and spear units to defend any possible flank attacks. Go crazy with 9 Averlorn sisters from there.

Throw in some heals and your dryad/treemen front line should hold out against most early-mid game infantry/monsters.

Treemen are tier 5. I think you're thinking of treekin, because by the time you get treemen you either aren't fighting early game units or you're running them over with your weakest armies.

[Incubo]

Originalmente postado por Cacomistle:

Originalmente postado por Incubo:

Treemen without support won't be able to hold out forever.

If your going for a tanky front line I would suggest 4 dryads with at least 4 lothern sea guard (shields are better but not needed). Throw in 2 treemen and you should have a secure front line and spear units to defend any possible flank attacks. Go crazy with 9 Averlorn sisters from there.

Throw in some heals and your dryad/treemen front line should hold out against most early-mid game infantry/monsters.

Treemen are tier 5. I think you're thinking of treekin, because by the time you get treemen you either aren't fighting early game units or you're running them over with your weakest armies.

I was indeed thinking of treekin lol, thank you!

[Wh♂♂par]

Treekin, yes. With Wood Elves. Otherwise just use Phoenix Guard.

[Guts]

Tree kin are some tanky mofos. They aren't going to kill much of anything on their own(and will obviously get killed if swarmed like any other monstrous infantry), so just get two of them mixed in with 3 dryads lothern sea guard (shields) on the flanks and sisters of avelorn spam down the middle. Shield of thorns, earth blood

Lothern sea guard on their own will make a formidable frontline to begin with though. Using your woodland units at all is more of a roleplay choice.

[Sn3z]

Well you have to test it out one in your army would be fine, I'am not sure how well they do vs other monsters though which is the real reason you need them, with Averlorn what you have is essentially the ability to bolster your frontline with monsters and divert your flyers to hitting just helping on flanks and hitting backilnes which is something HE have to juggle, so it makes Averlorn even more stronger in army composition then a normal HE. The monsters and flyers are competing for slots so if you plan on using more treeman or even some treekin you can reduce flyers.

[Spotty Dog]

Mix of treekin and tree men are good. Tree kin really can hold out to anything but fire. Tree men can stomp single targets really well (think giant with wood for skin i.e. tougher).

[Cacomistle]

Originalmente postado por Sn3z:

Well you have to test it out one in your army would be fine, I'am not sure how well they do vs other monsters though which is the real reason you need them, with Averlorn what you have is essentially the ability to bolster your frontline with monsters and divert your flyers to hitting just helping on flanks and hitting backilnes which is something HE have to juggle, so it makes Averlorn even more stronger in army composition then a normal HE. The monsters and flyers are competing for slots so if you plan on using more treeman or even some treekin you can reduce flyers.

Why would you need treemen vs monsters. He's making a frontline for sisters. Monsters die pretty hard to range dps. And the toughest competing unit for that slot would be phoenix guard.

The only thing that beats sisters after all the stupid buffs they get in campaign is artillery or other ranged that has received similarly stupid buffs, or floods of enough units that sisters can't kill them all (usually would be like tons of cav and dps infantry).

[Wyvern]

Treemen and treekin just arent worth it. Get phoenix guard instead

[Cacomistle]

Originalmente postado por Wyvern:

Treemen and treekin just arent worth it. Get phoenix guard instead

I think treekin are situationally. You get them at tier 3 rather than tier 4 which is a pretty significant time difference compared to the tier 5 of phoenix guard. They provide siege attacker. And because they're monstrous infantry they tend not to lose models in fights if you spam heals on them. Which means you can bring an army of sisters plus 4 treekin into multiple fights without any significant losses. Whereas if you did that with 3-4 sea guard (what I think are the next best line unit), they'd lose some models and 2-3 fights without replenishment might kill your line.

If you have the choice between both, sure get phoenix guard. But theres like 50 turns where you're growing from tier 3-5, and during those turns eh they're probably still a bit worse than sea guard but they're fine.

[kekkuli]

Phoenix guard will take care of everything when playing as high elves. Treekin are not that good, treemen are are okay but dragons are just better.

[Sn3z]

Originalmente postado por Cacomistle:

Originalmente postado por Sn3z:

Well you have to test it out one in your army would be fine, I'am not sure how well they do vs other monsters though which is the real reason you need them, with Averlorn what you have is essentially the ability to bolster your frontline with monsters and divert your flyers to hitting just helping on flanks and hitting backilnes which is something HE have to juggle, so it makes Averlorn even more stronger in army composition then a normal HE. The monsters and flyers are competing for slots so if you plan on using more treeman or even some treekin you can reduce flyers.

Why would you need treemen vs monsters. He's making a frontline for sisters. Monsters die pretty hard to range dps. And the toughest competing unit for that slot would be phoenix guard.

The only thing that beats sisters after all the stupid buffs they get in campaign is artillery or other ranged that has received similarly stupid buffs, or floods of enough units that sisters can't kill them all (usually would be like tons of cav and dps infantry).

You really should have both infantry combined with treeman/treekin to create tanky line because its the advantage in composition Averlorn have HE's do not, he says masses of sisters, of how much that is exaclty? I don't know 10/12 units thats interesting but single models are probably the best way to go if your missile spamming without using blocks of infantry.

All treekin and treeman are for Averlorn at their respective tiers is to bolster your line and take pressure off your flyers you can use them at any point but they need infantry support.

[Wyvern]

Originalmente postado por Cacomistle:

Originalmente postado por Wyvern:

Treemen and treekin just arent worth it. Get phoenix guard instead

I think treekin are situationally. You get them at tier 3 rather than tier 4 which is a pretty significant time difference compared to the tier 5 of phoenix guard. They provide siege attacker. And because they're monstrous infantry they tend not to lose models in fights if you spam heals on them. Which means you can bring an army of sisters plus 4 treekin into multiple fights without any significant losses. Whereas if you did that with 3-4 sea guard (what I think are the next best line unit), they'd lose some models and 2-3 fights without replenishment might kill your line.

If you have the choice between both, sure get phoenix guard. But theres like 50 turns where you're growing from tier 3-5, and during those turns eh they're probably still a bit worse than sea guard but they're fine.

I see your point, but to be quite honest with you, I usualyl don't even build the worldroot structure. It costs oodles of money and a slot better spent on infrastructure(imo), especially given that you only have 3 slots at tier 3 in your capital.

[JODEGAFUN]

Originalmente postado por Wyvern:

Treemen and treekin just arent worth it. Get phoenix guard instead

1+ use the pieces of wood you start with until they die and then you have better options