Is corner camping in sieges cheating?

[Don Cool]

I always have this feeling that I am cheating if I do it, on the other hand trebuchets were used that way in conventional medieval warfare, sit back and destroy fortifications with ranged artillery until you either ran out of ammunition or just got tired of sitting back.

The map layout sort of suggests that devs never meant for the game to be played that way, on legendary runs on youtube people always use these tactics to maximise efficiency. I don´t have the patience and not that skilled in battles anyway, normal difficulty is enough for me.

Or maybe it´s just cheesy instead of cheating? or working as intended?

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by IntrepidH:

Nah if the Ai has even one artillery piece or has a lord that miraculously doesn’t waste its magic before reaching you, your corner camp will end immediately. And some factions can’t really corner camp like Skaven with their low leadership.

On the other hand dwarfs are the masters of the corner. And since it blocks your flanks it’s at times the most optimal way you could play despite ones personal feelings

No, if the ai has 1 artillery piece, its sitting at the back of their base out of range of your artillery. If the ai has a lord/hero with magic, they won't walk in range to cast any spells, and thats assuming they didn't already waste all their magic.

Theres no "yeah but the AI will...". The Ai won't do a thing about this strategy. On any faction in the game, if you have artillery you can destroy the towers, then sit there firing until you run out of ammo and the ai will not respond with anything. If you are willling to abuse the ai, the worst case scenario is, after you run out of ammo you wait for a draw and do it again.

In many situations you can cheese the ai without even having artillery. For example, Fey enchantress with a bit of ward save can wipe 2 full stacks of high tier infantry on the wall. They run around in circles repositioning instead of fighting back, so you're under attack maybe 1/20th of the time you're on the wall.

Oh and I don't know why you're claiming Skaven can't do this strategy. They are probably the best faction in the game at this, because they also get spells which will rack up more kills than dwarf artillery, and they have high damage spells that work on walls in both lores. Even in field battles they are good corner campers vs ai, because you just summon tons of clanrats in their way and stormvermin have high enough leadership to hold a line.

I think either you or I am misunderstanding what the op is talking about. Because as I understand it, he's talking about destroying towers then shooting at the ai's army until artillery runs out of ammo in a siege battle. There is fundamentally no way you can screw this strategy up, and no way for it to be ineffective other than running out of ammo. It is that easy. And leadership is a non factor because the ai will not attack you. So I can only conclude you are talking about something else.

[Truen]

It's an exploit, but it's not the only one. Siege AI is horrible in general. To take most keeps playing HE all you need are a bunch of ranged units and they can sit outside the enemy walls and literally kill everything without even needing to scale or break down the door.

[Sir uP]

Well one reason why one would care is because it is ugly and unrealistic. Not necessarily because they care about the CPUs or strangers on the internets feelings about their cheating.

I think the guy making the skaven cant and dwarfs are best comment is thinking about the corner camping in pitched battles not sieges.

[IntrepidH]

Then that’s not corner camping, corner camping is when you put your units.......in the corner

Using artillery in exactly its intended function isn’t corner camping. That’s literally just playing the game wtf lmao and more a side effect of CAs very underwhelming defending siege AI. It’s not any players fault the AI is terrible in sieges

[IntrepidH]

But because the AI HAS to defend its court yard or lose, there Are almost no cases where the ai sallies out the army to address artillery and even if they did they would still get slaughtered exiting their gates

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by IntrepidH:

Then that’s not corner camping, corner camping is when you put your units.......in the corner

Using artillery in exactly its intended function isn’t corner camping. That’s literally just playing the game wtf lmao and more a side effect of CAs very underwhelming defending siege AI. It’s not any players fault the AI is terrible in sieges

Corner camping isn't really the word I'd use to describe it either. It is in the sense that fewer towers can shoot you if you deploy in a corner though.

But yeah the rest is how I feel. I like to play sieges how I think would be most effective vs a player or smart ai. Which means if I've got 6 artillery pieces, well honestly I'm probably climbing the walls cause waiting for artillery to win takes too long (my computer doesn't have a good enough cpu/gpu to fast forward through large battles), but if its a tough battle vs overwhelming melee forces I'm gonna stay away. It just happens that means I'm gonna abuse the ai (in both cases because the ai responds terribly to units climbing and will run infantry around in circles on the wall when defending).

[Mors Avis]

I never corner camp. It's too cheesy to me. If I had a problem with the towers, I'd just load up the reduced tower range mod and call it a day.

The problem, for me, is that it's an example of using the letter of the law to defeat the spirit of the law. Just because you can, it doesn't mean you should. At the end of the day, though, it's a single player game. Do whatever feels right

As a Warhammer nerd, corner camping is the most "unwarhammery" thing next to running your lord around, soaking tower fire--now, thats total cheese, and the usual nonsense you see in certain YouTuber's let's plays. How they think that's enjoyable to watch I will never understand.

[Tenhys]

Originally posted by Don:

Is corner camping in sieges cheating ?

No.