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Archaon didn't have mutliple invasions, the first one was retconned.
Unlike abbadon he made it in one go, which took forever but it all was one trip.
Besides, he beats grimgor in a duel in game, so CA is making him better than he looked in lore.
I edited the post but I'll just put the rest here cause it almost sounds like you're taking my word for the thing about Grimgor, and I read a bunch of wikis not the actual books. Don't take my word for it.
"I don't know how canon the Grimgor thing is or anything, but still Archaeon was powerful, not invulnerable. He would beat most of the named characters in a fight, but the ones he couldn't beat in a duel he'd beat in some other way. Which could be represented by if you played say a chaos vs chaos in multiplayer, you might goon Kholek with chosen halberds, not just run Archaeon into him like an idiot. To use your own fanboyism, don't you think that would do him injustice to just turn him into some brute force idiot who smashes all his problems? Thats Grimgors job (and he does it worse than Archaeon anyways)."
I don't know how he actually is in the lore, but let me just say he would be really boring if he was just "lol he's better than everyone in duels and smarter". I think we can conclude he would use intelligence vs the likes of Grimgor.
It is cannon that he got his face shmashed in by grimgor and that it broke the eye.
Hell he only won because the skaven took out the lizardmen when they blew up the chaos moon.
This caused the failing of the vortex, which meant the world faced another great catastrophe level demon invasion. Simply without the lizardmen to defend it.
What did he do then? Cause from what I read of the lore, mannfred was the one who stopped gelt and Teclis from sealing it. And every faction wiped out before the vortex failed from what I remember was skaven.
Smash kislev and the empire mostly. But even then, he lead his underlings like the glotkins do a lot of work.
And technicaly it was teclis who hastened the vortexes fall by unbinding it.
He slowly but surely collected the artifacts of the Everchosen and each time proved just how useful of a pawn he is to his Four masters. He isn’t a great warrior, his armor and weapons are powerful. He isn’t a brilliant tactician, his Eye and Crown give him insight.
Archaon is a marionette, a puppet with his strings firmly in the hands of the Ruinous Powers. His “power” comes solely from gifts, not his own ability.
He won but not through any ability of his own.
TL;DR. Archaon is a loser and his only strength is plot armor to help him start AoS.
Edit: spelling, also, if I do play Chaos, I usually chose him over Sigvald and Kholek. I don’t think he’s that bad of a LL in this series. Quite fun to run him into enemy infantry and slash away.
Back on topic, to me only losers (or terrible writers) use the "It was all part of the plan" excuse and they will re-cycle it when the Emperor dies/comes back.
My buddy bigRob and his smurphs will kick his ass anyway, lets see if thats part of his plan too.
Seriously,with black pyramide remain and Nagash absorb the wind of death,he probably put down Archaon only by his own,no need of mortal aliance help.Nagash fight toe to toe to the greatest bloodthirster in melee after he lost his black pyramide and fought his way through Middenhelm,and Archaon with all his stupid op cheat items he struggle fighting Grimgor and then beaten by Sigmar.Nagash in ET just broken,and he was the only one that the Chaos Gods take as a threat seriously.
And about the eye of Sheerian,that precognition thing is not that impressive,even all prophecy is just a possibility of the future,and even the eye of Sheerian itself destroyed by Grimgor.
And Archaon in ET5 already be beaten,just the thing under Middenhelm and Manfred said´suprise ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥´
GW need to get money from their new AoS business,so wh fantasy must die lol.
And in campaign, his items give quite strong buffs. So he ends up being a better duelist at least than many of the monstrous lords (but ofc they tend to kill more cause of aoe and the fact that infantry don't have enough md for you to need that 100+ ma attack lords like Archaeon get).
If we're looking at underpowered, look no further than grimgor. Been established Grimgor was putting up a fight vs Archaeon in lore. In game, Grimgor isn't even close to one of the best duelists, and he can't even get a mount so he's also less mobile and incapable of casting. The raw strength between the 2 isn't even remotely close.
When you frame the game balanced with respect to the idea that monstrous lords and lords mounted on monsters are significantly stronger, Archaeon no longer looks weak. It would be hard for him to really be useful if he was balanced to be as good as say a star dragon mounted prince, cause he can't hit the same number of models so the only way he could be as good is if his melee stats were ridiculous. Which would make him a duelist, and absolutely useless at anything else (at least for the cost he'd be bound to have). I mean lords like him and Tyrion already are that tbh.
On the other hand Grimgor still looks like total trash even if you take all monsters out of the comparison.
Pre-End Times (which is the only times that matter), Archaon is a legendary warrior, but not the greatest warrior or mage. And it's not through combat alone that he's powerful, but his cunning and plotting to unite all the chaos worshippers, otherwise what would set him apart from a Khornite jobber?
And even if taking the End Times into consideration, he dueled Grimgor for 3 days straight and was losing ground, he had to summon the power of a greater demon in his blade to end the fight. Grimgor is not even the strongest warrior in the settings, so there it is.
Like seriously think about it. You've trained yourself to the point a ton, all your actions are faster and more powerful. And the fight takes longer? They should be throwing out like 10x the amount of swings humans would. And they've got these legendary weapons that we know can cut through flesh.
The only way a fight could possibly take 3 days between warriors of this calliber considering their strength isn't having skin stronger than armor is either .0000000001 percent pure luck where neither of them can get an advantage, or some sort of ambush hit and run tactics (which I feel Archaeon would be too proud to do this vs a lowly orc, and for sure Grimgor isn't doing this).
I swear if the 2 most legendary snipers in existence were fighting it out in a fantasy setting, it would somehow be 3 days of constant back and forth shooting. Not even 3 days of searching for the first shot, but actual back and forth with them dodging each others bullets or some stupid ♥♥♥♥ like that. Even though if they're really that good, the first bullet fired would almost certainly kill.
So my point is that the whole thing is so ridiculous honestly "Archaeon is Da Best" logic sort of fits in. Trying to talk about how strong characters actually are is pointless, because if the universe used logic that fight would probably last a minute tops.