Are Demigryph knights worth it over Reiksguard?

[ikko]

In the campaign I mean. I can recruit double gold Reiksguard in Reikland with the building upgrade or I can spend twice as much for a unit half the size in the Demigryph knights, I'm not seeing why Reiksguard aren't the better choice

[rlee87]

yes they are better IF you can support the unit cost <- very important. Also demigryph knights get 15% ward save with the lord skill upgrade i believe. Reiksguard on karls army is different though because karl gives them unique bonuses. I usually put demigryph knights in gelt and volkmar's army while karl gets reiksguard.

[Wyvern]

Demigryphs are generally better except 1)Cost and 2)Weaker impact vs squishy trash troops.

Otherwise their armor is better(at least without skills), they have AP(huge vs more armored targets), they have significantly better sustained combat stats, their mobility is significantly better, they do splash damage(you can check this on twwstats.com) and because theres only 24 models they dont tend to lose models as easily, meaning better healing synergy.

[Chthonic Guardian]

Originally posted by Wyvern:

... because theres only 24 models they dont tend to lose models as easily, meaning better healing synergy.

Ummm Demigryphs have 8 models, Demigryphs with Halberds have 8 and Reiksguards have 15 or am I missing something?

[Wyvern]

Originally posted by Chthonic Guardian:

Originally posted by Wyvern:

... because theres only 24 models they dont tend to lose models as easily, meaning better healing synergy.

Ummm Demigryphs have 8 models, Demigryphs with Halberds have 6 and Reiksguards have 15 or am I missing something?

That's on small settings, on large(default setting) its 24 for both types of demis and 45 for reiksguard(So demi halberds should also be 8 on small)

[Chthonic Guardian]

Originally posted by Wyvern:

Originally posted by Chthonic Guardian:

Ummm Demigryphs have 8 models, Demigryphs with Halberds have 6 and Reiksguards have 15 or am I missing something?

That's on small settings, on large(default setting) its 24 for both types of demis and 45 for reiksguard(So demi halberds should also be 8 on small)

I never changed the setting, or knew that there was a difference in the numbers. I assumed it was for people with bad eyesight to get larger looking model graphics, not actual number of units. Interesting.

Yeah, I looked at a wounded unit for the 6 - lol. It is 8.

[Rebel]

Originally posted by Chthonic Guardian:

Originally posted by Wyvern:

That's on small settings, on large(default setting) its 24 for both types of demis and 45 for reiksguard(So demi halberds should also be 8 on small)

I never changed the setting, or knew that there was a difference in the numbers. I assumed it was for people with bad eyesight to get larger looking model graphics, not actual number of units. Interesting.

Yeah, I looked at a wounded unit for the 6 - lol. It is 8.

The hell dude, you play on small unit size? What's wrong with you? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. How is it even possible?

[RCMidas]

Relatively easy to get high-veterancy Reiksguard from Altdorf, but they are still a tier 3 unit and are prone to struggling against truly late-game threats. Demigryphs are very expensive and the nearest places to get a boost to their veterancy are Hell Pit and Karak Zorn (which also requires that you hold Mount Arachnos)...but if you get all the available boosts for them, they will wipe out everything in their path.

+2 Veterancy from a technology. +2 Veterancy from the Headhunter skill. +2 Veterancy from the Exotic Animals building. +1 Veterancy from the Blazing Suns Chapterhouse in Talabheim. And that's without being Karl Franz with the Majestic Enforcers skill, or anyone who has beaten Tyrion.

Expensive, yes. Hard and slow to get. But if you manage it, nothing can stand in your way. Get an even mix of regular Demigryphs and those with halberds, and a single full army can annihilate everything from four 20-stacks of Stormvermin to a pair of 20-stacks of Necrofex Collossi. Micro intensive. Macro rewarding.

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by Ricardo Flex:

Originally posted by Chthonic Guardian:

I never changed the setting, or knew that there was a difference in the numbers. I assumed it was for people with bad eyesight to get larger looking model graphics, not actual number of units. Interesting.

Yeah, I looked at a wounded unit for the 6 - lol. It is 8.

The hell dude, you play on small unit size? What's wrong with you? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. How is it even possible?

Depending on your graphics it can default that way. Mine defaulted to medium for some reason 1 campaign. I was like 10 turns in when I realized and didn't want to restart, but probably I should have.

As for the actual thread it depends what you're fighting. I think demigryph halberds are better vs chaos, cause they just spam large and armored, legit nothing else so demigryph halberds counter or at least are ok vs everything. Vs like vampires and other imperial factions, I like Reiksguard better. I usually fight them before they spam pure armored units, and reiksguard are far better vs their chaffe. Greenskins and Norsca I get a mix. Greenskins tend to spam a lot of chaffe armies in my games, and norsca really doesn't have any heavy armor. But demigryphs are good vs black orcs which are their most threatening unit usually, and Norsca spams mammoths and trolls a lot so Demigryph Halberds are generally a strong choice. Trolls guns are better against, but mammoths are kind of hard to take out fast enough to me.

In the end, the later game you are the better demigryphs are. Because they're more likely to level up and match Reiksguard, and you're more likely to figt armor (and less likely to lose to anything thats not elite). So I like to go full Reiksguard for Franz since theg get big buffs, and everyone else I might get a couple Reiksguard and a few demigryphs, then have the Reiksguard kill all the ranged and chaffe and Demigryphs go for the elites.

[Ewalden]

Once I can grab Demigryph knights, my primary armies generally contain 1-3 demigryph knights, depending on what kind of army it is and whether it focus on cavalry and melle or artillery.

One can certainly have several more demigryphs in an army, but I prefer diversifying my armies.