Dragons are weak!

[Nope]

I watch many youtube video about the lore of the WH Fantasy world. In this dragons the most powerful beings, beat even the strongest among the demons in the first chaos invasion, but in the game however they are so weak (except the breath attack) ... WHY?

[zefyris]

Technically the greatest of the dragons are barely on par with greater daemons in the lore.
And you can't have that here for balance purpose. In the lore, there's barely any dragon left awake at any time.
But in tw, you can make full dragon armies and have all your general riding dragons as if we were back to the ancient age long before men could even build a simple house.
They're not weak, but they're quite a bit weaker than in the lore for balance purpose.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

It's like saying why kholek isn't the size of a mountain, or why mazdamundi cannot literally destroy cities with a snap of his fingers, or why any of the LLs can fall without killing thousands of mid-tier units.

It's a game, not a storybook. Power balance needs to be a bit more realistic otherwise someone like arannessa would get instantly slaughtered by literally any other LL

[bearfieldlee]

Yeah, I think that basically says it all...we have to have balance within the game structure.

[Zoie Shales]

Yea, If some charactors where as strong as they described in the lore, anyone who used them would win every single battle and be impossible to defeat in pvp, so balance.

[Nope]

My problem is that this is not even in balance. I watch a MP battle between VC and High Elves whom have 1 star dragon. When star dragon fight against luthor in a terrorgheist, He not just beat the dragon but almost not even lose life in the process.

[Rhedd]

Originally posted by zefyris:

Technically the greatest of the dragons are barely on par with greater daemons in the lore.
And you can't have that here for balance purpose. In the lore, there's barely any dragon left awake at any time.
But in tw, you can make full dragon armies and have all your general riding dragons as if we were back to the ancient age long before men could even build a simple house.
They're not weak, but they're quite a bit weaker than in the lore for balance purpose.

There are plenty of High Elven generals riding dragons in tabletop, too. I just sort of think of it as lore stories being like legends, sagas, and campfire tales, while the Tabletop/WH:TW rules are the "reality".

[Zane87]

Originally posted by No Body:

My problem is that this is not even in balance. I watch a MP battle between VC and High Elves whom have 1 star dragon. When star dragon fight against luthor in a terrorgheist, He not just beat the dragon but almost not even lose life in the process.

It is about balance, as others pointed out.

Then, a Terrorgheist is by definition a large slayer and Luthor with his gun even more so, he is a Duelist lord (I assume, haven't played yet).

Also, there is luck. You have a sample size of one of a guy on YouTube that might have who knows what mods activated.

The players disagreeing with you here have played the game.


Hmm, what do you think is a more reliable source?!...

[Lancaster]

Well dragons are weak, Their biggest weakness is so prevalent in end game turns when they turn up. Every army is filled to the brim with halberds and Machine gun arm archers. For their upkeep they really don't warrent a spot in early and mid game. When their upkeep is negligable, they get countered. They are excellent at taking walls though, one of the best units to do so, because their breath attack is insanely powerful. Though they are essentially a 2 minute cool down nuke, and a hearty body.

[Old Dirty Bingo Caller]

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[shadain597]

Originally posted by No Body:

My problem is that this is not even in balance. I watch a MP battle between VC and High Elves whom have 1 star dragon. When star dragon fight against luthor in a terrorgheist, He not just beat the dragon but almost not even lose life in the process.

Luthor on a terrorgheist vs a solo dragon? No surprise there. He's a duelist vampire lord! The "duelist" lords excel at fighting against lone opponents, generally dealing lots of AP damage. But a vampire? They have a passive ability that lets them regenerate health while in combat. So no surprise that he won. If the HE player had targeted Luthor with Sisters, a bolt thrower, or some other form of AP damage Luthor would have been in trouble. And if a vampire lord dies, his army probably will too.

On the other hand, Coast has lots of AP ranged damage. Could some of Luthor's units have been shooting the dragon? Even the toughest monsters will melt from even a few ranged units AP damage. In campaign, I just took out a basilodon with 1-2 trash units (zombie swords and possibly a ranged unit) in melee while a single unit of handguns blasted away at it. I don't even think those trash units were completely destroyed in the battle.

The other thing is that the dragon is probably (I don't play HE much) designed for fighting groups of infantry, not individual opponents. Usually, large units specialize in fighting either groups of models or individuals. They can usually do a little of both, but they are in serious trouble when a rock to their scissors finally comes along.

[Velber]

i use my personal mod to remedy this...
and a lot of things too really...

[Chapel]

Was playing Norsca vs Norsca and had an Ice Wyrm get streamrolled by two Marauder Chariots by themselves. 2 Norsca Chariots = 4 dudes (x2) on a buggy. So I see what you mean.

[Wyvern]

Dragons are fine. They melt units with breath, are quick and can deliver a nasty amount of damage to whatever target they choose.

[forumcrybaby]

I mean...as long as you use your large monsters correctly they work out just fine. I think OP is one of those dudes that will send a dragon or a vargulf by itself into the entire enemy line and they flip when they get routed before the rest of their army can even get close enough. You know who needs a buff? Skaven AI. 100+ turns in you will never bump into these guys anywhere on the map.

[Hurricane]

Originally posted by FatSageMcander:

i use my personal mod to remedy this...
and a lot of things too really...

You mean you mod to cheat coz ur bad