Possible Sartosa / Aranessa Saltspite buff needed?

[YourMumsMilkman]

Been playing a new Sartosa Vortex and they seem to be much weaker than their other Pirate Lords. Cylostra Direfin has unique calvary and spells. Harkon has beasts, some ranged unit buffs, and some spells, Count Noctilus has spells and cannons. Aranessa is supposed to be a dualist, but I think there are better dualists out there.

Her mount is the worst of the bunch IMO which is odd lore wise since II think she is supposed to command sea creatures. Also you lose some of the perks of being a dualist with her mount.

Switching to Sartosa's units we find that the human *unique* units leave a lot to be desired. They are not terrible for a starting unit except they are really expensive for what you get. I've tried to set them up as flankers with the vanguard deployment but they are too slow to be of much good and too squishy to be much of a front line. Usually I just draw fire with my mobs then have them waiting in the bushes close by. However it's hard to keep them alive and you cannot use the vampire lore to heal them. They are really expensive for a starting unit and their usage drops off mid to late game.

Perhaps some higher level unique units may help? Maybe higher tier Mercenary-like fighters or special faction unique sea monster units?

For a quick buff having discounts on the creatures and boosts to Pirate Cove and trading income may be helpful. This could go lore wise as other factions may be more willing to trade (stolen goods) with an army that is mostly (or partially) human instead of just undead vampires.

What are your thoughts?

[YourMumsMilkman]

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Sea_Beasts

Looks like there are a few other Sea Monsters that could be made in the future. I did not know the Kharibdyss was originally a Sea Monster either. Dragon Turtle, Mutant-Mermaids, lesser-Merwyrms would be cool to see. The bio for Saltspite includes something about a Mer-Manticore as well.

Maybe have a Sea Dragon (can that even fly?) , Lesser-Kraken or Triton as a single number monster like a cross between the queen bess and Dread Saurian.

I'm just brainstorming, but it would be interesting to see in the future.

[[88th] ColPresumptuous]

Its odd but i tend to find her better than the others, she gets some very nice buffs for Sartosa units as she levels.. also Saltspite isnt a duelist, most of her attacks are aoe sweeps and cones, shes far more anti infantry than 1v1 ive found.

Sartosian units also for what ive found work really well for me, sure they arent all that special but the ones I tend to start with seem to stick around for a long time and often come out as most kills in every battle. Also every thing the other Vampirates get she can get so not sure why that would be an issue... i tend to go straight for the Vampire Captains for piratecoving and some lore of the depths.

Then again im probably biased towards her since i like the idea of a army of undead that are also along side the living. Pirates shouldnt discriminate.

[RCMidas]

I still say she should've been WAY more of a living pirate faction, because her unique units, even in her own army and fully buffed, barely reach tier 3 value.

[BigRockWall]

Noctilus>harkon/cylostra>saltspite.

Noctilus barely took 100 turns to finish with only 1 city 1 army and a billion coves

Harkin debatable better than cylostra, but cylostra has some unique things going for her that make it a toss up.

Saltspite definitely got the short end of the stick, err, peg? I LOVE free company as the empire, for the first couple dozen turns. And just like empire, sartosan free company get phased out mid game. Which is sad for a faction/lord unique unit. Her start is also just the worst of the bunch geography wise, in both campaigns.

Cataphs southern realms mod had a faction with elite tier free company militia style units, and they were a blast to play with. If aranessa's unique units had just been given another unit tier 4, in addition to what she already has, that would have made a huge difference.

[YourMumsMilkman]

Originally posted by BigRockWall:

Noctilus>harkon/cylostra>saltspite.

Noctilus barely took 100 turns to finish with only 1 city 1 army and a billion coves

Harkin debatable better than cylostra, but cylostra has some unique things going for her that make it a toss up.

Saltspite definitely got the short end of the stick, err, peg? I LOVE free company as the empire, for the first couple dozen turns. And just like empire, sartosan free company get phased out mid game. Which is sad for a faction/lord unique unit. Her start is also just the worst of the bunch geography wise, in both campaigns.

Cataphs southern realms mod had a faction with elite tier free company militia style units, and they were a blast to play with. If aranessa's unique units had just been given another unit tier 4, in addition to what she already has, that would have made a huge difference.

Noctilus does seem like easy mode compared to the others. I'm not really complaining though. I love the Cannons and NecroFlex Collosi army I'm running.

[Father Ribs]

Originally posted by YourMumsMilkman:

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Sea_Beasts

Looks like there are a few other Sea Monsters that could be made in the future. I did not know the Kharibdyss was originally a Sea Monster either.

Trivia: Charybdis is a sea monster from the Odessy. Something I didn't know but just read, was that she/it was also a daughter of Poseidon, the sea god.

[BigRockWall]

Originally posted by YourMumsMilkman:

Originally posted by BigRockWall:

Noctilus>harkon/cylostra>saltspite.

Noctilus barely took 100 turns to finish with only 1 city 1 army and a billion coves

Harkin debatable better than cylostra, but cylostra has some unique things going for her that make it a toss up.

Saltspite definitely got the short end of the stick, err, peg? I LOVE free company as the empire, for the first couple dozen turns. And just like empire, sartosan free company get phased out mid game. Which is sad for a faction/lord unique unit. Her start is also just the worst of the bunch geography wise, in both campaigns.

Cataphs southern realms mod had a faction with elite tier free company militia style units, and they were a blast to play with. If aranessa's unique units had just been given another unit tier 4, in addition to what she already has, that would have made a huge difference.

Noctilus does seem like easy mode compared to the others. I'm not really complaining though. I love the Cannons and NecroFlex Collosi army I'm running.

Yeah really the last paragraph was my main point re OP. If there was just a t4 version of her unique unit available it would have made all the difference for her

[MadArtillery]

Ya she's pretty terrible. Having so much dedicated to basic ass bottom tier infantry that is barely worth having even early game let alone any other time buffs or not. Her only redeeming feature is regeneration and the ability to break.

[YourMumsMilkman]

Originally posted by BigRockWall:

Originally posted by YourMumsMilkman:

Noctilus does seem like easy mode compared to the others. I'm not really complaining though. I love the Cannons and NecroFlex Collosi army I'm running.

Yeah really the last paragraph was my main point re OP. If there was just a t4 version of her unique unit available it would have made all the difference for her

I agree. Maybe a slightly more expensive version of the Sartosa Free Company + Militia with Stalk? Would that be too OP? I mainly use them to hide in trees and wait for a flank.

[YourMumsMilkman]

Originally posted by Father Ribs:

Originally posted by YourMumsMilkman:

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Sea_Beasts

Looks like there are a few other Sea Monsters that could be made in the future. I did not know the Kharibdyss was originally a Sea Monster either.

Trivia: Charybdis is a sea monster from the Odessy. Something I didn't know but just read, was that she/it was also a daughter of Poseidon, the sea god.

Ah ok. I was wondering where they got that from. I remember the part now. They were sailing close to a vortex on one side and the Kharibdyss on another. They had to take the loss of several men to save the ship if I remember correctly. Thanks for the refresher!

[YourMumsMilkman]

Ok so Alith Anar was kind enough to bring me the sword of Kaine (apparently High Elf civil wars are just for High Elves, why are Asur so uppity? XD) and Aranessa is wrecking shop. I'm sure that other melee lords would do the same if not better, but once I picked that up in my campaign I've really been impressed. The upkeep is not exactly fun, but since I'm a pirate I really don't have to worry much about the diplomacy negative.

[YourMumsMilkman]

Originally posted by YourMumsMilkman:

Originally posted by BigRockWall:

Yeah really the last paragraph was my main point re OP. If there was just a t4 version of her unique unit available it would have made all the difference for her

I agree. Maybe a slightly more expensive version of the Sartosa Free Company + Militia with Stalk? Would that be too OP? I mainly use them to hide in trees and wait for a flank.

I was thinking some type of cavalry (Outriders (Grenade Launcher)), but I don't know of many pirates that are known for using a horse.

[Dr. Uncredible]

Missed this post, sorry.
Next time, if there is one, check out "Nanu´s Pirates of Sartosa overhaul".
Having a blast with it, it´s not terribly well balanced, so might want to pump the difficulty up a bit, but it sure is entertaining!

[YourMumsMilkman]

I see it here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1568569490&searchtext=Nanu%C2%B4s+Pirates+of+Sartosa+overhaul
Looks good! I like the idea of a dwarf powder cook!

[YourMumsMilkman]

Wow! someone made a mode where you get to recruit Merwyerm's and an Undead Amanar after you complete the Vortex or get to level 30 on Mortal Empires. Damn I love this modding community.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2005149728