Who would win lore wise

[GIBBYDAMAN]

a 10000 year old vampire or a 10000 year old Elve (it can be any race of elves)

[Dr. Uncredible]

Unless other factors are included, the vampire.
Elves are like humans, but a bit more frail and agile and dextrous.
Vampires are insanely strong, naturaly magical (comes with the curse), feel no pain, incredibly tricky to destroy, I -think- they´re supernaturally fast as well.
Oh, and if they get their teeth in they can self-heal on top of that.

[Macho Chunko]

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

Unless other factors are included, the vampire.
Elves are like humans, but a bit more frail and agile and dextrous.
Vampires are insanely strong, naturaly magical (comes with the curse), feel no pain, incredibly tricky to destroy, I -think- they´re supernaturally fast as well.
Oh, and if they get their teeth in they can self-heal on top of that.

Vampires in Warhammer aren't that supernaturally strong, they're thought but considering they get beaten often by normal humans they aren't even close to other settings, their strenght comes from their resilience, magic expertise and experience given their long lived lives.
Aka a well trained high elf has a good chance of giving any vampire's ass a good whopping.

[Ashley]

Elves because deux ex machina doesn't allow bad guys to win in warhammer

[Dr. Uncredible]

Originally posted by ;1749022370114246578:

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

Unless other factors are included, the vampire.
Elves are like humans, but a bit more frail and agile and dextrous.
Vampires are insanely strong, naturaly magical (comes with the curse), feel no pain, incredibly tricky to destroy, I -think- they´re supernaturally fast as well.
Oh, and if they get their teeth in they can self-heal on top of that.

Vampires in Warhammer aren't that supernaturally strong, they're thought but considering they get beaten often by normal humans they aren't even close to other settings, their strenght comes from their resilience, magic expertise and experience given their long lived lives.
Aka a well trained high elf has a good chance of giving any vampire's ass a good whopping.

Really?
In every game that´s included vampires they have much better strength and toughness stats than humans,
and even the frail-looking necrarchs are described as being able to snap a humans neck with their hands.
What are your sources sir?

"Elves because deux ex machina doesn't allow bad guys to win in warhammer"
This btw is why they are often beaten by humans.

[Macho Chunko]

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

Originally posted by ;1749022370114246578:

Vampires in Warhammer aren't that supernaturally strong, they're thought but considering they get beaten often by normal humans they aren't even close to other settings, their strenght comes from their resilience, magic expertise and experience given their long lived lives.
Aka a well trained high elf has a good chance of giving any vampire's ass a good whopping.

Really?
In every game that´s included vampires they have much better strength and toughness stats than humans,
and even the frail-looking necrarchs are described as being able to snap a humans neck with their hands.
What are your sources sir?

Same place yours are coming from.
Also do you even read?
You "Vampires are insanely strong," Me "Vampires in Warhammer aren't that supernaturally strong".
You "I -THINK- they´re supernaturally fast as well."
Vampires in Warhammer aren't godlike in terms of strenght considering how much they lose in lore to humans, as i said and you obviously didn't read they're deadly for more reasons than being able "Snap a humans neck with their hands", given how many creatures can snap a humans neck with their hands in warhammer that's not a high standard.
Also wtf is "every game that's included vampires" are you talking about other settings now?

[Ar373]

Definitely vampires. The only entities stronger than a vampire lord are probably greater chaos demons and ancient dragons.

In the "ravening hordes" (6th edition) a vampire lord costed 275 points while an elf general costed 110 points. The vampire lord has 1 movement, 1 strength, 1 toughness, 1 wounds and 1 attack more than the elf general and the vampire lord is a level 2 mage. The elf only has 3 more ballistic skill. An elven high mage (220 points) would be better at magic than a vampire but even more inferior in physical combat. So if the elf gets to innitiate with some good spells or arrows he might have a tiny chance but the vampire will most likely tear him apart.

The only thing that holds vampires back are their subpar armies and the fact everyone hates them. 1on1 they would probably beat everyone except maybe the most powerful dragons, demons and slanns.

[Dr. Uncredible]

Originally posted by Macho Chunko:

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

Really?
In every game that´s included vampires they have much better strength and toughness stats than humans,
and even the frail-looking necrarchs are described as being able to snap a humans neck with their hands.
What are your sources sir?

Same place yours are coming from.
Also do you even read?
You "Vampires are insanely strong," Me "Vampires in Warhammer aren't that supernaturally strong".
You "I -THINK- they´re supernaturally fast as well."
Vampires in Warhammer aren't godlike in terms of strenght considering how much they lose in lore to humans, as i said and you obviously didn't read they're deadly for more reasons than being able "Snap a humans neck with their hands", given how many creatures can snap a humans neck with their hands in warhammer that's not a high standard.
Also wtf is "every game that's included vampires" are you talking about other settings now?

First off, rude much?
I base this on the multiple GW games that have had vampires present in them.
And regardless of how many creatures can snap a human neck in the setting an elf can not do this.
I´d also like to add that age was the only factor the OP set, elves do not naturally get any advantages with high age so unless otherwise stated the elf does not get 10.000 years of training (nor does the vampire).
Humans do often beat vampires in the lore, but as Haggord mentioned, they are usually the protagonists of the story, while vampires are the monsters.

[Humble]

Vampire, but depend on versions, twilight (similar superman/x-men but not same level), originals (fast almost like flash but short term) and Witcher's higher level vampire is very powerful (this higher vampire can't be killed any mean, only way to killed by other higher vampire so they said, not even powerful magic or witcher can do that), but vampire warhammer is not that powerful like Twilight, not fast like flash one like Originals do, but they (warhammer vampire) are very stronger and little fast (not like flash speed or Original vampire) than most warhammer race. Some other version vampire are weak and not worth to be vampire like vampire got burned easy in sunlight like Blade. I guess it's similar to Underworld's vampire. Yup, underworld vampire so similar, but warhammer vampire can stand in day time, so little better than most underworld's vampire.

[Dr. Uncredible]

Hoi! Found a pdf of the 8th edition Vampire Counts army book, where on page 24, in the description of vampires it says, among other things:
"They are physically far stronger than any living man and can endure wounds that would slay mere mortals in an instant"

[Humble]

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

Hoi! Found a pdf of the 8th edition Vampire Counts army book, where in the description of vampires it says, among other things:
"They are physically far stronger than any living man and can endure wounds that would slay mere mortals in an instant"

For sure, but what about Elve? I'm not sure elve count as living man or not? I guess vampire not only come from human but elve too because I noticed ear in total war warhammer portails.

[Ashley]

Originally posted by ;1749022370114377338:

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

Hoi! Found a pdf of the 8th edition Vampire Counts army book, where in the description of vampires it says, among other things:
"They are physically far stronger than any living man and can endure wounds that would slay mere mortals in an instant"

For sure, but what about Elve? I'm not sure elve count as living man or not? I guess vampire not only come from human but elve too because I noticed ear in total war warhammer portails.

Elves are so dainty they faint from seeing a wound

[Reaver79]

Originally posted by Macho Chunko:

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

Unless other factors are included, the vampire.
Elves are like humans, but a bit more frail and agile and dextrous.
Vampires are insanely strong, naturaly magical (comes with the curse), feel no pain, incredibly tricky to destroy, I -think- they´re supernaturally fast as well.
Oh, and if they get their teeth in they can self-heal on top of that.

Vampires in Warhammer aren't that supernaturally strong, they're thought but considering they get beaten often by normal humans they aren't even close to other settings, their strenght comes from their resilience, magic expertise and experience given their long lived lives.
Aka a well trained high elf has a good chance of giving any vampire's ass a good whopping.

That certainly depend on where you find the lore, there are plenty of Vampire stories in Warhammer where they are superhuman beings, lightning fast, strong and with other mystical powers.

[Reaver79]

Originally posted by Haggord:

Originally posted by ;1749022370114377338:

For sure, but what about Elve? I'm not sure elve count as living man or not? I guess vampire not only come from human but elve too because I noticed ear in total war warhammer portails.

Elves are so dainty they faint from seeing a wound

You forget the elf that fought 4 greater demons at once ?.. Think there's a story where Tyrion takes on a Keeper of secrets as well.
The elves are not Tolkin super overlords, but they are defenitly way above humans.. Then again so is vampires.

[Dr. Uncredible]

Originally posted by Humble:

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

Hoi! Found a pdf of the 8th edition Vampire Counts army book, where in the description of vampires it says, among other things:
"They are physically far stronger than any living man and can endure wounds that would slay mere mortals in an instant"

For sure, but what about Elve? I'm not sure elve count as living man or not? I guess vampire not only come from human but elve too because I noticed ear in total war warhammer portails.

Elves in warhammer are about as strong as humans from what I know, as for elves being turned..? I honestly do not know!
I don´t think I´ve ever read about a non-human vampire, but I haven´t read many of the Warhammer novels. ^^

[Macho Chunko]

Originally posted by Reaver79:

Originally posted by Macho Chunko:

Vampires in Warhammer aren't that supernaturally strong, they're thought but considering they get beaten often by normal humans they aren't even close to other settings, their strenght comes from their resilience, magic expertise and experience given their long lived lives.
Aka a well trained high elf has a good chance of giving any vampire's ass a good whopping.

That certainly depend on where you find the lore, there are plenty of Vampire stories in Warhammer where they are superhuman beings, lightning fast, strong and with other mystical powers.

Guess it just depends on what the writters needs for their story.