Estalia and Tilea are tiny

[Paragon]

I'm a bit surprised at how smol they are compared to everything else. I think lore-wise they're only slightly smaller than Bretonnia but here they're a little square outcropping that gets wrecked by beastmen and skaven turn 5.

[Cleftin Twain]

It depends on how the AI plays things. Estalia is doomed to get wrecked, but Tilea can survive for quite a while. I've even had Estalia reestablish itself later and probably could have expanded if I had helped them out. But I wanted their land so.. Lol

[TVMAN]

Just wait until they get a proper roster.

[Elitewrecker PT]

OP is talking about actual "land area" sizes compared to Bretonnia.

[Mr. Wiggles]

On the real warhammer world map TEB lands united are slightly bigger than Bretonnia. CA modified the map for gameplay reasons

[cb4n28]

Originally posted by Lvl One Mage:

It depends on how the AI plays things. Estalia is doomed to get wrecked, but Tilea can survive for quite a while. I've even had Estalia reestablish itself later and probably could have expanded if I had helped them out. But I wanted their land so.. Lol

Actually in my current campaign Estalia is alive and kicking at over 100 turns and Tilea has become a moderate power. Had not seen this before but it appears they allied and Tilea took over Skavenblight. Estalia ended up reduced to one province but has started to expand a bit. They have mostly been fighting Greenskins and are doing ok because I used the High Elf Influence system to put them on good enough terms with Wood Elves to get them some help. I don't think they'll hold out forever but I am hoping they can last long enough for me to turn my attention on Greenskins. My armies have mostly been focused on wiping out Dark Elves and trying to keep the Empire alive by weakening Undead and Chaos factions up north. Malekith is down to 9 provinces though so hopefully I can get some more armies into the Old World to back them up in the next 15-20 turns.

[RadCon One]

Originally posted by cb4n28:

Originally posted by Lvl One Mage:

It depends on how the AI plays things. Estalia is doomed to get wrecked, but Tilea can survive for quite a while. I've even had Estalia reestablish itself later and probably could have expanded if I had helped them out. But I wanted their land so.. Lol

Actually in my current campaign Estalia is alive and kicking at over 100 turns and Tilea has become a moderate power. Had not seen this before but it appears they allied and Tilea took over Skavenblight. Estalia ended up reduced to one province but has started to expand a bit. They have mostly been fighting Greenskins and are doing ok because I used the High Elf Influence system to put them on good enough terms with Wood Elves to get them some help. I don't think they'll hold out forever but I am hoping they can last long enough for me to turn my attention on Greenskins. My armies have mostly been focused on wiping out Dark Elves and trying to keep the Empire alive by weakening Undead and Chaos factions up north. Malekith is down to 9 provinces though so hopefully I can get some more armies into the Old World to back them up in the next 15-20 turns.

Aranessa wipes them out in my playthroughs. She just comes out of nowhere and kicks their teeth in.

[Hannibal Barca]

they are alot bigger in warhammer 1

[cb4n28]

Originally posted by Entropy:

Originally posted by cb4n28:

Actually in my current campaign Estalia is alive and kicking at over 100 turns and Tilea has become a moderate power. Had not seen this before but it appears they allied and Tilea took over Skavenblight. Estalia ended up reduced to one province but has started to expand a bit. They have mostly been fighting Greenskins and are doing ok because I used the High Elf Influence system to put them on good enough terms with Wood Elves to get them some help. I don't think they'll hold out forever but I am hoping they can last long enough for me to turn my attention on Greenskins. My armies have mostly been focused on wiping out Dark Elves and trying to keep the Empire alive by weakening Undead and Chaos factions up north. Malekith is down to 9 provinces though so hopefully I can get some more armies into the Old World to back them up in the next 15-20 turns.

Aranessa wipes them out in my playthroughs. She just comes out of nowhere and kicks their teeth in.

Not surprising. I haven't finished my pre-Aye Aye patch campaign yet so I haven't had any of the actual Vampire Coast factions in the mix yet. I imagine having some real Undead Pirates around is going to make things a lot tougher for a whole bunch of coastal factions next playthrough. Even without them, this current campaign is the best I've seen Tilea and Estalia do all the way back to the first game, they have never been in a great position

[Puggly the Grey]

Originally posted by Mr.Wiggles:

On the real warhammer world map TEB lands united are slightly bigger than Bretonnia. CA modified the map for gameplay reasons

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who noticed this.

[Panfilo]

With Skavenblight and Sartosa for neighbors I would figure they would get their teeth kicked in.

One notable thing about Southern Empires factions is that they don't confederate and later on this makes them vulnerable. They have a lot of potentially hostile factions nearby which puts pressure on them if one gets the tiniest edge.

[Paragon]

Poor things though. Between the vampirates and skaven fake news these guys have little chance. I think they could use some real map love and provinces.

I've actually seen the border princes hold out pretty well, but Estalia always dies and Tilea fights a desperate war if they arn't also dead. But I mean the border princes are basically Belarus and nobody cares about Belarus.