what causes aversion?

[ᛁᚢᚱᛃᛗᛖ]

Thanks in advance

[Wh♂♂par]

Culture.

[Savok]

Natural hatreds and distrust between certain races/factions.

[ᛁᚢᚱᛃᛗᛖ]

So is there anyway to rid it from this factions attitude for me?

[Toby Larone]

Originally posted by ᛁᚢᚱᛃᛗᛖ:

So is there anyway to rid it from this factions attitude for me?

No

[Ulfgard the Unmaker]

Originally posted by ᛁᚢᚱᛃᛗᛖ:

So is there anyway to rid it from this factions attitude for me?

No, but if you make a point to fight the same enemies you can start building bonuses to relationship that overshadow aversion. (This is, coincidentally, why Dwarves and Skaven have been ending up allied in Mortal Empires for some time now despite being natural enemies). And, of course, there are plenty of other things you can do to boost relations.

So you can't get rid of aversion, but you can build relations to the point that the aversion value is completely meaningless.

[JODEGAFUN]

Actually you can even have a greenskin/dwarf aliance. Play Wurzag and beat all other greenskins and you can reach it even you start at war with dwarfes.

[ᛁᚢᚱᛃᛗᛖ]

Originally posted by Ulfgard the Unmaker:

Originally posted by ᛁᚢᚱᛃᛗᛖ:

So is there anyway to rid it from this factions attitude for me?

No, but if you make a point to fight the same enemies you can start building bonuses to relationship that overshadow aversion. (This is, coincidentally, why Dwarves and Skaven have been ending up allied in Mortal Empires for some time now despite being natural enemies). And, of course, there are plenty of other things you can do to boost relations.

So you can't get rid of aversion, but you can build relations to the point that the aversion value is completely meaningless.

yeah I'm friendly enough with the one I'm trying to get to vassal. now is it possible to vassal just about anyone?

[Ulfgard the Unmaker]

Originally posted by ᛁᚢᚱᛃᛗᛖ:

yeah I'm friendly enough with the one I'm trying to get to vassal. now is it possible to vassal just about anyone?

I actually don't have a good answer for you on that, for a couple reasons.

First, I've got about half the time in this game compared to the previous one and I know that there are actually a number of mechanical differences between the two. I think there are some factions that can only make certain cultures into vassals (Warriors of Chaos can only get Norscan tribes as vassals, if I understand correctly, but I've not yet tested this).

Secondly, I've got quite a few mods loaded, included tweaks to what you can and can't do with diplomacy, as well as racial preferences. I don't want to make a bad statement without realizing that it is not, in fact, the way it works in the base game.

Who are you playing as, though? Depending on which faction it is, I may be better able or less able to answer if I know that.

[Baldr]

Maybe this answers your question. I tried Malekith on Very Hard 7 or 8 times. I always failed because Har Ganeth was "averse." Eventually I figured out to bribe all of the beastman and rando hordes to attack her enemies. I signed some non-aggression pacts with her allies.... boom the "averse" queen eventually confederated with me (around turn 120). To be fair, I wasted about 12 hours of RNG diplomacy on this.

Also, I have never seen a vassal option on Very Hard.

Edit: I have won on Very Hard with Lizards, High & Dark Elves. I'm guessing they go for confederation.

[ᛁᚢᚱᛃᛗᛖ]

I'm playing Settra on tomb kings. I'm about 160 with this other tomb king, I've bribed the crap out of him, he's joining all my wars, ect. but the vassal is still too low of a chance.

[Wh♂♂par]

Vassalage, especially for TK, is a low chance and is mainly you being super strong, they being super weak.

[ᛁᚢᚱᛃᛗᛖ]

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

Vassalage, especially for TK, is a low chance and is mainly you being super strong, they being super weak.

yeah that's the conclusion I was coming to. seems like they would have to pretty much have no power what so ever for it to work. I'm determined though lol I will make them bow down!

[Ulfgard the Unmaker]

Ah. Yeah, I'm not super familiar with Tomb Kings although they do seem interesting. This is one of those times where I'd be inclined to give somewhat contradictory advice (based on the previous TW games-- not sure if this still holds true in WH2).

So being involved in all their wars is good, except in one particular case:
It used to be that if a faction had one city left, was under siege against a much stronger force, and you weren't at war with the besieging faction, the AI would be more inclined to accept a vassal agreement in a last-ditch attempt to survive. This is because they would automatically match your diplomatic stance when they became your vassal, cancelling all their current wars against enemies who you aren't fighting, and getting signed up for wars against your current foes. The sudden declaration of peace with the besiegers meant that the siege was automatically broken and your new vassal would live to serve another day. Even if they besiegers declared war immediately, they'd be starting the siege all over again, which would hopefully give you time to get a relief army to your new vassal's last city before they got wiped out.

I have no idea if that's still a thing that works, and it requires some very deliberate and delicate setup-- doubly so if you're trying to not ruin your "reliability" rating and incur the associated diplomatic penalties. Personally, I never went out of my way to do it because of how much of a pain it was to deliberately maneuver regional diplomacy in that fashion; it was always more of a question of whether or not it just so happened to be convenient for me to take advantage of at the time.