Alarielle the Radiant is WAY TOO ****ING OP!

[Justin_760]

I have no idea how, throughout all the nerfs that have been thrown out, Alarielle remains relatively untouched. Its asinine. I just went up against a small army with a 20 doom stack from Count Noctilis and the battle took 30 MINUTES.

All her units got routed and I had 3 necrofex collosus, 2 rotting leviathans, a vampire fleet captain hero and 2 depth guard ganging on her, and it shows in combat: WINNING SLIGHTLY (Alarielle). What the hell? After 10min of triple speed, watching this giant blob of elite units pummel her she FINALLY gets down to 1/4 health, then after a single spell she goes to full health in 10 seconds.

What the ****ing hell? This is ridiculous. It took half of my elite army, ganging on her for a solid 25min to route her. Even then I wasn't able to actually kill her because on the giant eagle mount she can just instantly disengage melee and fly away, something my flying mounted lords can never do, they always get stuck locked in combat despite repeated ordering to move away.

Please balance this lord CA. Its just ridiculously frustrating, there is no reason a full army gang pounding a single lord should take more than a couple minutes, let alone 20+.

[[88th] ColPresumptuous]

You had no anti large? (she was on an eagle mount?) Where you meleeing her with your necrofexs? (they miss like crayzie with their shots up close against a single entity) Your necrofexs should have torn her to pieces from range... also while you have a ton of men around her only some can actually hit her the rest just have to stand around until a gap is opened to get a hit.

Yeah shes got some pretty neat heals and defensive spells but hey... 30+ minutes to kill her? I doubt it.

Most of my games she either gets trounced by Tyrion or spends the entire game with only 2-3 settlements, wouldnt call that OP.

[big stupid jellyfish]

That... doesn't sound likely. Either she had the Sword of Khaine (which makes every lord extremely powerful) or you're running some crazy mods. Do you have the replay?

[Sn3z]

Yeah well that's Eagles for you, what did you expect a walk in the park?

[[88th] ColPresumptuous]

Originally posted by big stupid jellyfish:

Either she had the Sword of Khaine

I personally completely forgot about that sword... that might have been the OP's issue, still not 30 minutes to kill her levels of crayzie though so i think they are seriously over exaggerating the time it took still.

[franz]

pls send help elf lady 2 stronk !

[Andrewbh2003]

alariel is OP cause of the star of averlorn other than that "and a few minor stat values" shes fine

[Nate]

if you swarm one tanky entity they end up barely getting hit, as everyone fights for a swing, so the units that can kill her easily will never get a hit in

[IntrepidH]

Doubt what was written here is anywhere close to what actually happened

For any lurkers tho keeping a lord surrounded by fodder is only good to keep them in place bringing in something with high melee attack can actually land worthwhile hits otherwise you do 1-2 damage like this fictional story

[Hirilus]

Looks more like Vlady dady not Alarielle. U got any mods ? They can change #£&@ alot.

[Lunos]

Sounds like you had too many units fighting the lord all at once. If you use too many units they end up blocking each other and do next to no damage. Send only a few units in to fight at a time and things should go better.

[Mactalon]

I've been vsing her a lot with Noctilus in my campaign and not having that trouble, one of your problems might be that ganging up that many units on a single lord is usually a good way to make few of them actually land any hits cos they get in each other's way. Especially the Leviathans, they're great but also take up a lot of space.
I just let Noctilus and my captain get her, plus using their abilities and she gets eaten. She does have those heals but you can wear through them, especially as she doesn't deal that much damage herself.

[zefyris]

not enough information. Alarielle is quite tanky with her Ward Save and strong healing to begin with (and just saying, lore wise a full power Alarielle would probably have destroyed your army, since they're all undead. I don't know about the following TT versions, but 20 years ago on TT Alarielle had a higher fighting skill value than even Tyrion, with 10 out of 10 possible, the highest possible initiative, would disable anyone she touches for the rest of the turn, and lore wise Alarielle the Radiant is the walking bane of undead creatures and daemons, just standing in her surrounding would be enough for most undead and daemon to risk dying without her doing anything about it; so if anything CA did not implement this enough in current Alarielle stats and skills)

What items was she wearing?
Especially, sword of khaine (cause AI often equips her with that) or not? If SoK then that's obviously going to happen.
Was she on foot, on horse, or on eagle?
what were you doing with the necrofex collossus? Melee, or shooting in your own troops surrounding Alarielle?
What was the battle difficulty? if it was VH then I can see it happening, but the problem is the imbalance caused by your battle difficulty choice, not Alarielle.

[Macho Chunko]

This smells like a big old pile of ♥♥♥♥♥.

[eRe4s3r]

If it happened as described Alarielle had the Sword of Khaine.

That said, if it happened as described it was not a doom stack ;) VC doom-stack has 19 necrofexes (if you want to go full cheese) or 1 necrofex and tons and TONS of infantry with guns. Why do you have deep guard? Who are you fighting that has monsters on land in elven lands? You need guns. More guns, VC is gun faction. MORE DAKKA.

In case it wasn't clear, you need more guns (or gunnery wights with ammo resupply ability teched)