The War of Vengeance....It didnt go how you thought it did...

[The Guiding Light]

Okay so it is widely known amongst those who know a crumb of the lore about he war between the High elves and the Dwarfs..and its easy to dismiss that it was the High elves who started or Instigated the war..and for a long time i have profoundly just went with this out of lack of knowledge and ignorance. Until i decided to buy the war of Vengeance book from my Kindle app..and the Startling reality of truth poured in like a river....I'm sorry guys but in truth the dwarfs are actually responsible for this one..I know I know that's impossible never trust and elf yadda yadda..but until you read what I have read so far you would eat all indifference up...

The dark elves were in secret which the Asur didnt know at the time killing indiscriminately in the Old world as a direct order from Malakith...but they murdered an entire Asur Village and stole their weapons armor and clothing and did all the dirty work..left the arrows of the Asur in the dead bodies of the dawi and knew they would not take a moment to question who did it. The dwarfs did not like the High elfs not because they acting negative towards them or that they had procured grudgementss..no they hated them just because they didn't like them..they lived together since Snorri Whitebeard in peace for hundreds if not a thousand years and no infractions of any kind on the dawi..yet they just hated them because they didnt like them...this is ridiculous...

anyways what really tipped of the Dwarfs was when Aegir Fireheart one of the most Ancient of rune priest was killed ands his carravan slaughtered...the battle was epic there was a Dark elf Sorceress though and used dark magic to overpower him spearing him through and killing him..but unfortunately for the Witch she left a stain of Dark magic which would soon be discovered....Now the dwarfs at this point were furious..Gotrek Starbreaker was trying so hard to keep the peace he most of all knew something wasnt right but the kings and thanes wanted blood they already hated the Asur Including his own son Snorri Lunngrinn...he even had Grudgment passed on him by one of his lords....the Dwarfs especially Snorri wanted blood...


Prince Imaldrik ,the brother of Caeldor the 2nd , was just attending a festival of peace between the Asur and the Dawi and was told that he and his consort were to leave at once upon hearing the death of the Ancient..As he was making is way from Karak a Karak he wanted to know what was going on so he went to the sight where it had occurred..upon getting there there was a heavy stain of Dark magic surrounding the area and at once he knew it was those filthy Druchi ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s...he knew he couldn't run back to the Karak to tell Gotrek so sent and eagle with a detailed message about the Druchii and him wanting to helm be rid of them..he tried to explain to Gotrek..

Then Gotrek got the letter ,read it in its entirety to his lords and thanes ,and the dwarfs scoffed at it and said that he was only lying and was even a conspirator..they wanted blood and his son Snorri halfhand lunngrinn would get it...Snorri Lunngrinn and all of the Kings and thanes gathered about 40,000 dawi and marched on the elves with no evidence that the Asur were to blame, no dclaration of war was made.....and went to the elven city of Kor Vanaeth and slaughtered every single Ausr there..women..children and took took Fendarils head( he was the Lord of the city) this was a war crime cold blooded and indiscribable murder with no proff that those innocent children and women any part of....and they plundered the city and planned to move forward to the next....this was from the perspective of Morgrim....

at this same exact time the ambassador's that we all have heard about made it to Ulthuan but Caeldor had already got news of the bloodshed of his people which he thought was outrageous that the dawi would send letters asking for peace, when no war was even declared, when they had already started murdering his people without mercy..now the ambassador did not know this news they were just finding out about the attack on the Asur as the phoenix king spoke to them....

now mind you this form the perspective of the dwarfs..yea take that in for a bit

so what do you think was going to happen the dwarfs in actuallity had starting killing many elves before this massive battle as the Asur were allowed for 100's of years to move freely between the realms then the dwarfs basically said ♥♥♥♥ that and without a warning or a missive starting killing any elf who came near their holds...ANY....and then we all know what happens next...and tbh..even though when Imaldrik ,Caeldors brother, attempted to warn him about invetible war with the dawi he basically said why is it of concern when they have enough to deal with the Druchii( the dark elves have been ♥♥♥♥ing up the Asur this whole time btw) and to just let the dwarfs be dwarfs and over time they will blow over their little rage and let it be...but Imaldrik knew they dwarfs wanted blood and had alreay starting reaping it...tbh this whole thing that Malakith concocted was to the T he even said he knew the dwarfs would make the first move which is why he set it up the way he did..he knew the Asur wouldn't dare to start a war with the Dawi because they saw them as extremely trusted Friends and did not want war...and The dwarfs acted as in their nature for needing immediate Vengeance and reckoning killed thousands of Innocents before war was declared out of pure fury..

Reading this made me extremely sad and was very hard for me to read and Im still not done yet..but i wanted to share this info because people who don't even know the lore got the story all wrong..and I love the dawi but this..was just disheartening

[Voxrox]

Actually it weouldn't need so much text to explain that.

Dwarfs were responsible, easy enough. Can't take a little jest, have beards like filthy barbarians, live like rats in dark holes, the only book they ever read and wrote was their Big Book of Pettiness (probably more illustrations and pictograms than words in it^^), and overall they never apologized for sending an unshaven bearded emissary to the Phoenix Court, which was in itself an offense.

Then they murderd the Phoenix King, stole his crown like little halfling thieves, and still think they won a war that the High Elf simply stopped for the time being because of more pressing matters. Like, well, saving the world over and over again.

So yeah, the War of the BEARD, as it is actually called, is full on the Dwarfs, or Dwarves, of whatever they wanna be spelled like.

Yep, my favorite faction beside Empire is High Elves ... who would have guessed ^^

[The Guiding Light]

Originally posted by Voxrox:

Actually it weouldn't need so much text to explain that.

Dwarfs were responsible, easy enough. Can't take a little jest, have beards like filthy barbarians, live like rats in dark holes, the only book they ever read and wrote was their Big Book of Pettiness (probably more illustrations and pictograms than words in it^^), and overall they never apologized for sending an unshaven bearded emissary to the Phoenix Court, which was in itself an offense.

Then they murderd the Phoenix King, stole his crown like little halfling thieves, and still think they won a war that the High Elf simply stopped for the time being because of more pressing matters. Like, well, saving the world over and over again.

So yeah, the War of the BEARD, as it is actually called, is full on the Dwarfs, or Dwarves, of whatever they wanna be spelled like.

Yep, my favorite faction beside Empire is High Elves ... who would have guessed ^^

Well first I don't agree with anything you said

1. They were rightfully angry they had lost alot of well known dawi in these attacks and Aegir fireheart was one of them..and too the Dawi he was Basically an Ancient a piece of dawi history gone and possibly never got to pass on all of his knowledge that is a big freakin deal...

2.they do read books they are really smart and great tacticians tbh and Ironbreaker shield wall is nigh impenetrable dragon princes would have trouble breaking it..

3. The dammaz kron is their culture that is the Dawi way you do d something to slight them you have to pay..its the way it is I respect that

4. Caeldor shaved the Dawi that were sent because he knew how offensive it was to their culture and also did it because he considered it an insult to the Asur that the dawi would seek peace and payment for crimes they didn't commit and a war they did not declare..Asur blood was ACTULLY
On The dawis hands at that point and I mean dwarfs died too but that was self defense..it was just the ambassador and his entourage were unlucky enough to show up after Snorri decided to Attack Kor Vaeneth.

5. No he was not murdered he was killed in combat and was bested by Gotrek Starbreaker because he was too arrogant and underestimated the dwarfs which is a fatal flaw and he payed the price with his head for his foolish arrogance

6.no they were not going to win the War plain and simple

7.its on the Dwarfs but Caeldor didn't have to shave those Dawi in his court he had every right to declare war on them or chooses to try an explain BUT Imaldrik already tried that and there would be no changing the other Thames mind so war was pretty much the only option Especially since the Dawi basically slaughtered an entire city. If the Phoenix king didn't go to war his advisers would quickly pull their support from the Phoenix king with so many lives lost

8.. Yeah they are my fave faction too but things are not just Black and white

[RED /(Weber)\]

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

To be honest, it's Dwarf nature to be offended by betrayal, as it should be, hating them or not, they would've done this to anyone, who had so seemingly attack their innocent kin.

The only flaw I find in it, is no proper investigation, due to hotheadedness. But the Elves didn't try a lot to prevent it. Especially when only making it worse, through arrogance. Really, both are at fault, with the Dark Elves being the masterminds.

Pretty much all there is to it.

[Toby Larone]

The problem about the hole dark magic thing is, dwarfs do not bother much with magic.
They do not fling it around like other spell caster, but collect it in their runes and controle it via them. They do not dabble in magic like other races. Hell they are almost imune to it, threw the simple fact that they believe they are.

A dwarf wouldn't see the diffrence between dark or high magic.

[The Guiding Light]

Originally posted by the Spanish Inquisition:

The problem about the hole dark magic thing is, dwarfs do not bother much with magic.
They do not fling it around like other spell caster, but collect it in their runes and controle it via them. They do not dabble in magic like other races. Hell they are almost imune to it, threw the simple fact that they believe they are.

A dwarf wouldn't see the diffrence between dark or high magic.

Uhm...im sorry but that's where you are wrong at this point ( during the War of the beard) they do understand what magic is Ranuald Silverthumb one of the most Renowned Rune Priests in the history of the Saw I explains it very clearly in the book..they can feel the winds of magic like any mage..and at that time could harness it too..i do t want to spoil it but the fight between the Dark elves and Aegir Fireheart was epic

[Toby Larone]

Dwarfs are incapable of witchsight (which is what you need to percive the winds of magic)

[The Guiding Light]

Originally posted by the Spanish Inquisition:

Dwarfs are incapable of witchsight (which is what you need to percive the winds of magic)

look no need to jump on me im just relaying information that i gathered from what runepriest was saying his his apprentice Morek..take it up with he lore mate

[Toby Larone]

Codex > Book and in this case the codex spells it out for you quiet clearly, that dwarfs are uterly incapable of perceiving magic.

[The Guiding Light]

Originally posted by the Spanish Inquisition:

Codex > Book and in this case the codex spells it out for you quiet clearly, that dwarfs are uterly incapable of perceiving magic.

look im not trying to argue with you Im just relaying info mate from the book you keep to your codex if that makes you feel better

[Mr. Wiggles]

If the dwarfs cant perceive magic how can they trap it in runes?

[Toby Larone]

You are trying to argue, else you wouldn't have made this threat.Now codex will always be the priamry source on everything

[Red Dragon]

Originally posted by the Spanish Inquisition:

You are trying to argue, else you wouldn't have made this threat.Now codex will always be the priamry source on everything

I think OP made the thread to 'get the truth out there' (or at least his point of view of the truth). But I agree with you, the codices (I guess you are talking about the army books) are the highest authorities for questions concerning the lore ... authors of books can add to that, but not contradict (with/to?) it.

[ϺEƳEƦ]

Originally posted by Mactalon:

Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:

To be honest, it's Dwarf nature to be offended by betrayal, as it should be, hating them or not, they would've done this to anyone, who had so seemingly attack their innocent kin.

The only flaw I find in it, is no proper investigation, due to hotheadedness. But the Elves didn't try a lot to prevent it. Especially when only making it worse, through arrogance. Really, both are at fault, with the Dark Elves being the masterminds.

I think it's more that the Dwarfs just don't draw any real distinction between "dark" elves and "high" elves. They're all elves, and the Phoenix King is supposedly their leader. To them it wasn't that the Phoenix King was directly responsible for attacking their people, their issue was that he was failing to keep his house in order and take responsibility for the rebellious elements of their race. To the Dwarfs the excuse of "Oh but they're not really our people" didn't really mean anything.

The weight of responsibility is still massively on the Elves over the Dwarfs, even with the smaller details.

Spot on

[TBLackey]

Lol how this is being treated like historiography i love it :) if only i took real life just as seriously

[AVGAMER]

Dwaves are hypocrits though, they would never admit a fault or pay a restitution. Others really do mean nothing to them its not honor its racial pride.