Whats the point of high elf princes?

[Eldrin]

The princesses are flat out better, as soon as they get on a dragon they can shoot while moving and while the dragon smashes, the prince just has his melee that gets replaced by the dragon.

[Lampros]

It's quite the opposite. I never find any reason to take the Princesses - other than perhaps aesthetics.

[Sin]

This is a Troll-Comment, feel free to ignore it:

"What is the point of high elf(s)"? There. I fixed it for you.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by Lampros:

It's quite the opposite. I never find any reason to take the Princesses - other than perhaps aesthetics.

after u get ur dragon then the dragon will be the one doing the smash in melee not the prince.

meanwhile the princess can still pew pew her bow on top of the dragon all while the dragon smash in melee.

I dont see why you would ever use a prince

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by Sin:

This is a Troll-Comment, feel free to ignore it:

"What is the point of high elf(s)"? There. I fixed it for you.

If your trying to correct lazy writing at least learn the language enough to do it right. It's high elves

[Elitewrecker PT]

Technically it's high elf either way in this particular case.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Technically it's high elf either way in this particular case.

I know in my sentence it is, but not in his.

[Zane87]

Originally posted by SwiftXShadow:

Originally posted by Lampros:

It's quite the opposite. I never find any reason to take the Princesses - other than perhaps aesthetics.

after u get ur dragon then the dragon will be the one doing the smash in melee not the prince.

meanwhile the princess can still pew pew her bow on top of the dragon all while the dragon smash in melee.

I dont see why you would ever use a prince

Correct.
However the Princes have slightly different combat skills and a shield in the beginning, so they are much more potent early on.

On a dragon, however, I totally agree with you and find the princesses much more potent than the princes

[Aenarion]

- In the early game a prince has the defensive stats (MD+armour) to blob half an army, setting them up for vortex spells etc.
- Even after you get a dragon the extra melee stats (MA and MD) are still very useful.
- Most of the better traits are prince-specific. Princesses are great with seaguard but drop off in the late game.
- If you want lorefully-named lords you'll pretty quickly run out of names for princesses, unfortunately.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by rymeintrinseca:

- In the early game a prince has the defensive stats (MD+armour) to blob half an army, setting them up for vortex spells etc.
- Even after you get a dragon the extra melee stats (MA and MD) are still very useful.
- Most of the better traits are prince-specific. Princesses are great with seaguard but drop off in the late game.
- If you want lorefully-named lords you'll pretty quickly run out of names for princesses, unfortunately.

I thought after u get the dragon then your fighting stuff basically becomes what the dragon is? And the lords stats dont matter

[Lampros]

Originally posted by SwiftXShadow:

Originally posted by rymeintrinseca:

- In the early game a prince has the defensive stats (MD+armour) to blob half an army, setting them up for vortex spells etc.
- Even after you get a dragon the extra melee stats (MA and MD) are still very useful.
- Most of the better traits are prince-specific. Princesses are great with seaguard but drop off in the late game.

I thought after u get the dragon then your fighting stuff basically becomes what the dragon is? And the lords stats dont matter

No, you are mistaken. The Prince still has superior melee stats. The Dragon's stats become added to the mounted character's stats, rather than replacing them altogether.

And Rymeintrinseca has correctly outlined why the Prince is better elsewhere, too.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by Lampros:

Originally posted by SwiftXShadow:

I thought after u get the dragon then your fighting stuff basically becomes what the dragon is? And the lords stats dont matter

No, you are mistaken. The Prince still has superior melee stats. The Dragon's stats become added to the mounted character's stats, rather than replacing them altogether.

And Rymeintrinseca has correctly outlined why the Prince is better elsewhere, too.

does that whole shielded thing carry over to the dragon?

[Cleftin Twain]

Originally posted by Lampros:

The Dragon's stats become added to the mounted character's stats, rather than replacing them altogether.

Is this the case for all lords with mounts?

I've been trying to figure out why giving Fay Enchantress her Silvaron would make her defenses attack, and weapon strength much worse than they currently are so I haven't given it to her yet.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by Lvl One Mage:

Originally posted by Lampros:

The Dragon's stats become added to the mounted character's stats, rather than replacing them altogether.

Is this the case for all lords with mounts?

I've been trying to figure out why giving Fay Enchantress her Silvaron would make her defenses attack, and weapon strength much worse than they currently are so I haven't given it to her yet.

imo mages should always have a mount for the speed if they need to run somewhere to get a spell off or something and quickly escape too.

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by rymeintrinseca:

- In the early game a prince has the defensive stats (MD+armour) to blob half an army, setting them up for vortex spells etc.
- Even after you get a dragon the extra melee stats (MA and MD) are still very useful.
- Most of the better traits are prince-specific. Princesses are great with seaguard but drop off in the late game.
- If you want lorefully-named lords you'll pretty quickly run out of names for princesses, unfortunately.

Sea guard don't really drop off though. They get like actually double missle damage, and pretty dang high melee defense and shields. I never confederated alith anar who apparently gives a factionwide missle buff, but even without him I've gotten like 50-55 missle damage.

Basically in a decently high level army, you're looking at units that are probably like twice as effective as they are when you first recruit them with no abilities. So you're looking at an army that costs far less than a traditional doomstack, yet can beat pretty much any doomstack. I don't see where they fall off.

As for the OP's point, for a melee army because princesses red line skills are specific to helping ranged armies. By the time you get a dragon, you've probably got some items for your lord, and quite possibly some yellow skills depending on how you level your lords. At this point, why would you want your lord in range anyways, they can just facetank everything and wipe an army in melee.

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by Lvl One Mage:

Originally posted by Lampros:

The Dragon's stats become added to the mounted character's stats, rather than replacing them altogether.

Is this the case for all lords with mounts?

I've been trying to figure out why giving Fay Enchantress her Silvaron would make her defenses attack, and weapon strength much worse than they currently are so I haven't given it to her yet.

When you choose a mount, it only shows the base stats. So if your fey has say the legend trait, which gives a pretty significant melee attack bonus, that won't show up when you choose the mount as an option. However, when you actually put on the mount, you'll get those stats. Its showing you the base stats of the mount before all the bonuses you get, not the stats after the bonuses are applied.

She's a lot better on silvaron for everything but siege battles (where she ofc can't climb walls if shes mounted). Plus she's a mage, mobility helps a lot for her to get to cast spells in important parts of the battlefield.