the high elf infantry roster is really, bare

[Demon Dog]

I mean they get 1 ♥♥♥♥♥♥ unit and 3 units that are pretty much the same

[Wyvern]

Huh? They only have 4 units, sure, but those units all perform markedly differently and fill very different roles. Plus, that's the infantry HE got in TT, so it's not like they should be getting anything else.

[Xhal]

There's more like 2 units.

Spearmen early game.

Phoenix guard end game.

Rest just suck unfortunately.

[AVGAMER]

are you guys joking, swordmasters are the best anti infrantry in the game, pheonix guard are probs the best infrantry full stop and lothen seaguard are on of the best units in the game let alone infrantry. White lions need a re think but to so there bare is really misinformed. Xhal do you even play high elves?

[Mactalon]

I feel like White Lions could be better, they seem to get a little squished more often than they should, but every other infantry unit has great utility.

[Fey Dragonette]

White Lions are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ awful, even in forests.

The rest are perfect for their jobs

[XXXThe69God]

If it makes you feel better Lizardmen have 6 infantry units with 4 being basically the same, so we have more like three units, High elves have some of the best infantry in the game second only to chaos

[AVGAMER]

White lions were near top tier infrantry in table top, they should be the heavy assult troops for high elves with higher armour beteer melee attack and defense and much higer damage. Bonus vs large is debatable as they are estbalished hunters but I don't think high elves need any more anti large.

[AVGAMER]

Also as italian spartacus displayed swordmasters cost less and will beat chosen with great weapons most of the time and are more upgradeable.Pheonix guard also beat chosen with halberds.

[Wyvern]

Originally posted by AVGAMER:

White lions were near top tier infrantry in table top, they should be the heavy assult troops for high elves with higher armour beteer melee attack and defense and much higer damage. Bonus vs large is debatable as they are estbalished hunters but I don't think high elves need any more anti large.

White lions got the witch elf and chaos warrior treatment. They'd basically be redundant with the other two HE top tier units otherwise. They need buffs, but I dont think they should be moved out of the mid-tier infantry range.

Originally posted by AVGAMER:

Also as italian spartacus displayed swordmasters cost less and will beat chosen with great weapons most of the time and are more upgradeable.Pheonix guard also beat chosen with halberds.

True, but swordmasters are garbage vs basically anything that isnt infantry, and phoenix guard are stupidly pricy. The low hp on HE units makes them suffer in a lot of situations where chaos troops simply dont too. HP is the only defensive stat you cant bypass with anything except raw damage, and the fact that Chosen have 1-2k more than the vast majority of their competition is really important for that. The two HE infantry excel in their niches, but just suffer all around, and are REALLY dependent on martial prowess. It puts them in a really odd spot overall.

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[XXXThe69God]

Originally posted by Wyvern:

Originally posted by AVGAMER:

White lions were near top tier infrantry in table top, they should be the heavy assult troops for high elves with higher armour beteer melee attack and defense and much higer damage. Bonus vs large is debatable as they are estbalished hunters but I don't think high elves need any more anti large.

White lions got the witch elf and chaos warrior treatment. They'd basically be redundant with the other two HE top tier units otherwise. They need buffs, but I dont think they should be moved out of the mid-tier infantry range.

Originally posted by AVGAMER:

Also as italian spartacus displayed swordmasters cost less and will beat chosen with great weapons most of the time and are more upgradeable.Pheonix guard also beat chosen with halberds.

True, but swordmasters are garbage vs basically anything that isnt infantry, and phoenix guard are stupidly pricy. The low hp on HE units makes them suffer in a lot of situations where chaos troops simply dont too. HP is the only defensive stat you cant bypass with anything except raw damage, and the fact that Chosen have 1-2k more than the vast majority of their competition is really important for that. The two HE infantry excel in their niches, but just suffer all around, and are REALLY dependent on martial prowess. It puts them in a really odd spot overall.

Phoenix guard may be really pricy but you get a ♥♥♥♥ ton for them. Think about it physical resist, martial mastery, good armour, all around amazing stats, charge defense vs all, yeah you pay a lot but they only really get countered by missiles and even then they probably need to be using fire or magic to deal significant damage quickly, High elves have easily the most well rounded roster in the game only lacking in artillery and some of the best infantry in the game. It feels like you just want High elves to be even better at everything. Chaos are the infantry unit in the game and High elves have plenty more tools than chaos so quit complaining about a problem that doesn't exist

[TrollPlayerMx]

i dont know anything about MP, but for me the HE are the strongest faction in Campaing, the only faction that can give you problem are the dwarfs and only if they make a good composition with a better projectiles and artillery than you, with the HE you can counter almost all factions, if you are vs skaven, 2 phoenix guard, 6 swords masters, 8 lothers sea guard with shields, one light mage, one sword master of hoeth, one noble or avelors sister for the replenishment bonus and your lord, also just making some modifications to this composition, and you have the best army in the world

[Aenarion]

Originally posted by AVGAMER:

Also as italian spartacus displayed swordmasters cost less and will beat chosen with great weapons most of the time and are more upgradeable.Pheonix guard also beat chosen with halberds.

How many games of testing, and was that before or after chosen were buffed? I've tested pretty extensively and the GW variant trade games back and forth with SM, so it's basically a tie in idealized conditions (no damage other than melee etc). In real world conditions where high value units are usually subject to missiles, spells, etc chosen are significantly better because the swordmasters have less martial prowess time.

As for the OP, all of the following are at least on the level of basic melee infantry for other factions:

Spearmen
Seaguard
Seaguard (shields)
White Lions
Shadow warriors
Shadow-walkers
Sisters
Swordmasters
Phoenix Guard
Dryads

Not exactly a short list is it - how many other factions boast ten melee infantry? And having missiles as well as melee in some cases is hardly a disadvantage.

[Dr. Uncredible]

Also, you´re talking High Elves, they already have amazing archery, good magic, sweet heavy cav and bloody dragons.
Let the fancy chaps have -some- shortcoming, yeah?
´S not like they´re currently one of the strongest factions available or anything.

[AVGAMER]

it was about a month 6 weeks ago well after the last patch, Also through my own game observation swordmasters always preform really highly high melee defence, armour and ap mean they tend to do well against everything but monsters and heros.

Chaos has a high general standared of infrantry but chosen tend to get owned by high and dark elven elites due to better campagin buffs and lord skills. They are also largley un-supported with only monsters and 1 mediocre cannon so thier infranty tend to get shredded by missiles and cav. If anything chaos needs a bit of a buff in this reguard.

But I completly agree with you high elves are not short on anything really artilliary is a niche thing and dragons are a strong counter to enemy artillary as are the excellent reavers and shadow warriors.

As a personal prefrence from TT I would like white lions buffed but its not a balance issue or need just a prefrence.